Moderna (MRNA) This autumn 2024 Earnings Name Transcript

Moderna (MRNA 1.38%)
This autumn 2024 Earnings Name
Feb 14, 2025, 8:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Ready Remarks
• Questions and Solutions
• Name Contributors

Ready Remarks:

Operator

Good day and thanks for standing by. Welcome to the Moderna fourth quarter 2024 convention name. Presently, all members are in a listen-only mode. After the audio system’ presentation, there will likely be a question-and-answer session.

[Operator instructions] Please be suggested, immediately’s convention is being recorded. I’d now like handy the convention over to your speaker immediately, Lavina Talukdar. Please go forward.

Lavina Talukdar — Senior Vice President, Head Investor Relations

Thanks, Kevin. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for becoming a member of immediately’s name to debate Moderna’s fourth quarter and full yr 2024 monetary outcomes and enterprise updates. You possibly can entry the press launch issued this morning, in addition to the slides that we’ll be reviewing, by going to the buyers part of our web site. On immediately’s name are Stéphane Bancel, chief government officer; Jamey Mock, chief monetary officer; and Stephen Hoge, president.

Earlier than we start, please be aware that this convention name will embrace forward-looking statements made pursuant to the protected harbor provisions of the Non-public Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Please see Slide 2 of the accompanying presentation and our SEC filings for vital threat elements that would trigger our precise efficiency and outcomes to vary materially from these expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements. I’ll now flip the decision over to Stephane.

Stephane V. Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Lavina. Good morning or good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for becoming a member of us. I’ll begin with a evaluate of 2024.

Jamey will current our monetary outcomes and outlook. Stephen will evaluate our medical applications. I’ll then come again and present our key priorities for 2025 earlier than we take your questions. In 2024, we recorded income of $3.2 billion.

The staff has labored exhausting to generate price financial savings of $2.6 billion or 27% down from 2023. We reported a lack of $3.6 billion. Whereas we had anticipated to finish the yr with $9 billion in money, because of the staff’s work on opex, capex, and likewise working capital, we ended up the yr with $9.5 billion of money and investments on the finish. In September 2024, we introduced our give attention to 10 high-value applications for which we anticipate potential approvals over the following three years, driving gross sales development and diversification from our high line from COVID.

These applications embrace in respiratory vaccines, next-gen COVID, mixture flu plus COVID, RSV 18-59 at high-risk adults, seasonal flu; in latent and different, CMV and norovirus; in uncommon illness, PA and MMA; and in oncology, INT for adjuvant melanoma. Along with driving gross sales development, the prioritization of those applications will enable us to cut back our R&D bills on this timeframe. From a pipeline standpoint, it was a yr of robust progress. In 2024, we turned a multiproduct firm with the approval of mResvia.

Together with Spikevax, we now have two industrial merchandise in the marketplace. We reported optimistic part 3 leads to 4 of our respiratory vaccine applications, and we filed for FDA approval on next-gen COVID or mixture of flu plus COVID and RSV vaccine for RSV 18-59. And our seasonal flu vaccine is at present within the part 3 efficacy trial. We additionally reported further progress throughout different applications for the part 1/2 for vaccine towards norovirus, EBV, and VZV.

In oncology, we offered knowledge at main medical conferences in 2024. For the INT program, in June, we reported optimistic three-year knowledge in adjuvant melanoma for the part 2 trial. As well as, for our checkpoint program vaccine, mRNA-4359, we offered optimistic part 1 knowledge in September. In uncommon ailments, we confirmed optimistic early security and medical knowledge from PA and MMA.

With that, I will hand it over to Jamey.

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Stephane, and howdy, everybody. In the present day, I will stroll by way of our monetary outcomes for the fourth quarter and full yr 2024, offering insights into the important thing drivers behind our efficiency. I will additionally define our 2025 monetary framework as we proceed to optimize our operations and place the corporate for long-term success. Let’s start by reviewing our industrial efficiency on Slide 8.

For the fourth quarter of 2024, internet product gross sales had been $0.9 billion, with $0.2 billion in the US and $0.7 billion outdoors the US. For the total yr, internet product gross sales had been $3.1 billion, on the decrease finish of our revised steering. U.S. gross sales had been $1.7 billion for the yr, benefiting from a $0.2 billion favorable adjustment associated to a prior-period return reserve reversal.

Excluding this adjustment, gross sales volumes noticed a decline in comparison with final yr, primarily as a consequence of decrease vaccination charges, decrease market share, and elevated competitors. Nevertheless, we noticed indicators of stabilization and imagine the COVID market will stay sturdy over time. Exterior the U.S., product gross sales had been $1.4 billion, aligning with the midpoint of our steering. This consists of roughly $400 million from advance buy agreements that won’t recur in 2025.

The overwhelming majority of our gross sales had been from Spikevax. Whereas we launched our second product, mResvia, within the third quarter, gross sales had been solely $25 million for the total yr. Whereas early RSV gross sales had been restricted, we see long-term alternative to develop our presence on this market each within the U.S. and internationally.

Transferring on to Slide 9, I’ll now stroll by way of our monetary outcomes for the fourth quarter of 2024. Whole income for the fourth quarter was $966 million, down 66% from the identical interval final yr. As anticipated, gross sales had been impacted by the sooner launch of our up to date COVID vaccine within the U.S. with FDA approval granted three weeks sooner than the prior yr.

This allowed us to satisfy demand sooner, shifting a portion of gross sales into the third quarter. Worldwide gross sales had been additionally decrease yr over yr, reflecting the continued phaseout of advance buy agreements. Value of gross sales for the quarter was $739 million, together with $45 million in third-party royalties, $193 million in stock write-downs, and a noncash cost of $238 million from the termination of a contract manufacturing settlement. The contract termination is a part of our continued effort to optimize our manufacturing footprint following the strategic recycling initiative launched in 2023 to align with the transition to a seasonal endemic market.

Whereas price of gross sales declined by $190 million in comparison with the prior yr, decrease product gross sales volumes drove price of gross sales to 79% of product gross sales. Excluding the resizing cost, this may have been 53%. R&D bills in This autumn had been $1.1 billion, reflecting a 20% year-over-year decline. The lower was primarily pushed by decrease medical improvement and manufacturing prices throughout our COVID, RSV, flu, and mixture vaccine applications.

This was partially offset by elevated funding in our norovirus and INT applications. Moreover, final yr’s R&D bills included $120 million upfront cost associated to our collaboration with Immatics, which didn’t recur this yr. SG&A bills for the fourth quarter had been $351 million, down 25% yr over yr. The lower was primarily pushed by reductions in buy providers and exterior consultants as we proceed to give attention to price administration and operational efficiencies.

We acknowledged an revenue tax advantage of $64 million within the fourth quarter. Just like the prior yr, the profit was not materials as a result of international valuation allowance maintained towards most of our deferred tax property. Web loss for the quarter was $1.1 billion, in comparison with internet revenue of $217 million in This autumn 2023. Loss per share was $2.91, in comparison with earnings per share of $0.55 within the prior interval.

We ended the quarter with money, money equivalents, and investments totaling $9.5 billion, up from $9.2 billion on the finish of the third quarter. The rise was primarily as a consequence of accounts receivable collections. Now, let’s flip to our full yr 2024 monetary outcomes on Slide 10. Whole income for the yr was $3.2 billion, a 53% decline from 2023, primarily pushed by decrease product gross sales, which I mentioned on the prior web page.

Different income contributed $127 million for the yr, reflecting grant income, collaboration, licensing, and royalty income. Value of gross sales for the total yr 2024 was $1.5 billion or 47% of internet product gross sales. Excluding the $0.2 billion noncash resizing cost, this may have been 39% and beneath our earlier steering of 40% to 45%. This represents a $3.2 billion lower from 2023 as a consequence of decrease manufacturing resizing costs, in addition to decrease stock write-downs and lowered unutilized manufacturing capability prices, all of which mirror improved effectivity.

R&D bills for the yr had been $4.5 billion, down 6% from 2023. The lower was largely as a consequence of decrease medical trial and manufacturing prices, in addition to fewer upfront funds for collaboration agreements. We did, nevertheless, buy two precedence evaluate vouchers through the yr, which offset a few of these financial savings. For the total yr, SG&A bills totaled $1.2 billion, a 24% lower in comparison with 2023.

The lower displays disciplined price administration throughout the organizations. We have now continued to construct capabilities and produce extra capabilities in-house, permitting us to cut back reliance on exterior consultants whereas enhancing operational effectivity. Moreover, these financial savings had been supported by higher leveraging digital expertise and synthetic intelligence to streamline operations. We recorded an revenue tax advantage of $46 million for the total yr, in comparison with an revenue tax expense of $772 million in 2023.

This shift is especially as a result of international valuation allowance we established final yr on most of our deferred tax property, which continues to impression our tax place. Web loss for the yr was $3.6 billion, in comparison with $4.7 billion in 2023, with a loss per share of $9.28, in comparison with $12.33 within the prior interval. Transferring to Slide 11, we wish to spotlight the numerous discount in our working bills in 2024. On a GAAP foundation, price declined $3.9 billion from $11.1 billion to $7.2 billion.

Excluding resizing costs of $1.6 billion and $0.2 billion for 2023 and 2024, respectively, we lowered working bills by $2.6 billion in comparison with 2023, pushed by manufacturing footprint resizing, pricing renegotiations, R&D prioritization, quantity reductions, and a better use of digital instruments to enhance effectivity. Moreover, each 2023 and 2024 working bills included noncash prices of $0.9 billion and $0.6 billion, respectively, associated to stock-based compensation and depreciation and amortization. If we had been to exclude the manufacturing footprint resizing costs, stock-based compensation, and depreciation, our outlined money prices had been $8.9 billion in 2023 and $6.3 billion in 2024, representing a year-over-year decline of $2.6 billion. To keep away from double counting, please be aware that, in 2023, there was roughly $300 million of depreciation and amortization included within the $1.6 billion of resizing costs.

We’re dedicated to drive further price efficiencies in 2025 and past by prioritizing investments to assist the ten product launches over the following three years. Our 2025 GAAP bills are projected at $6.4 billion in 2025, which incorporates $0.9 billion of noncash costs from stock-based compensation, depreciation, and amortization. Excluding these gadgets, we venture a money price of $5.5 billion. This represents an roughly $1 billion year-over-year discount from our prior 2024 projection of $6.5 billion.

We’re additionally planning for an extra $0.5 billion of expense discount in 2026 as we proceed to drive efficiencies throughout all areas of the enterprise. Now, let’s flip to our monetary framework for 2025. We anticipate complete income in 2025 to be within the vary of $1.5 billion to $2.5 billion, with first half gross sales of roughly $0.2 billion, reflecting the seasonality of our respiratory vaccine enterprise. As mentioned with buyers in January, our wider steering displays the uncertainties in vaccination charges, the aggressive market surroundings, the scale of the RSV market, and timing of licensure of our factories and product approvals in Australia, Canada, and the U.Ok.

As a reminder, we filed three merchandise to the FDA in 2024 and we’re not together with any new product income in our steering vary. Additionally, we anticipate the income and R&D expense from our lately introduced pandemic influenza program to be comparatively immaterial in 2025 and is embedded in our steering. Value of gross sales is projected to be roughly $1.2 billion, reflecting continued enhancements in manufacturing effectivity and decrease anticipated stock write-offs, offset by elevated prices related to the go-live of our new manufacturing websites in Australia, Canada, and the U.Ok. R&D bills are anticipated to be roughly $4.1 billion as we proceed to put money into our late-stage pipeline whereas sustaining monetary self-discipline.

SG&A bills are anticipated to be roughly $1.1 billion, reflecting a continued give attention to effectivity whereas supporting our industrial execution. We anticipate taxes to be negligible in 2025. Capital expenditures are projected to be roughly $0.4 billion. This improve from our prior steering of $0.3 billion is primarily as a result of timing of spend between 2024 and 2025.

2024 precise capital expenditures was roughly $150 million beneath our prior steering. A few of that discount was attributable to prioritization adjustments, however the majority of the impression was timing of spend between 2024 and 2025. We anticipate to finish 2025 with roughly $6 billion in money and investments. In abstract, 2024 was a yr of economic self-discipline, and we’re well-positioned as we enter 2025.

We stay dedicated to managing prices, optimizing our operations, and investing in our future development. With that, I’ll now flip the decision over to Stephen.

Stephen Hoge — President

Thanks, Jamey. Good morning or good afternoon, everybody. Slide 15 reveals the prioritized applications we highlighted at our R&D Day in September. As Stephane talked about earlier, we’re targeted on pursuing these 10 approvals over the following three years to drive development.

We have now filed for approval for 3 respiratory vaccines: our next-gen COVID vaccine, our RSV vaccine for high-risk adults ages 18 to 59, and our flu-COVID mixture vaccine for folks age 50 and older. Many of the different seven prioritized applications are in pivotal research, and the rest are anticipated to start their pivotal research within the close to future. Slide 16 highlights the newest updates from our late-stage portfolio. As a reminder, in September, we offered optimistic efficacy and immunogenicity knowledge from our next-gen COVID vaccine, mRNA-1283.

We have now since filed for approval in a number of jurisdictions and have a PDUFA date of Could thirty first in the US. Additionally in September, we shared optimistic part 3 knowledge for RSV vaccine in high-risk adults ages 18 to 59. This vaccine has additionally been filed for approval in a number of nations with a PDUFA date of June twelfth in the US. For our mixture flu-COVID vaccine, we beforehand shared optimistic part 3 immunogenicity and security knowledge.

And on the idea of that knowledge, we filed for approval on the finish of final yr in the US and different nations. We have beforehand demonstrated efficacy for the flu — for the COVID element of the vaccine. Demonstration of efficacy for the flu element could finally be required for approval. To that finish, our stand-alone flu vaccine, mRNA-1010, is at present in a part 3 efficacy examine that’s accruing instances quickly.

Primarily based on the present tempo of case accrual, we’re optimistic that we will conduct the primary evaluation of efficacy for our flu vaccine on the finish of the present season. Now, turning to our nonrespiratory portfolio, beginning with our latent and different virus vaccines. For our CMV vaccine, we introduced final month that the Knowledge and Security Monitoring Board knowledgeable us that the early efficacy standards was not met and really useful that the examine proceed to its ultimate evaluation. We stay blinded to the examine and proceed to anticipate the outcomes for the ultimate evaluation later this yr.

Our norovirus vaccine part 3 examine is totally enrolled within the Northern Hemisphere, and we’re making ready to enroll members for the upcoming Southern Hemisphere season. The trial is at present on FDA medical maintain within the U.S. following the one case of Guillain-Barre syndrome, which stays beneath investigation. On condition that enrollment had already accomplished for this season, we don’t at present anticipate any impression on timelines whereas we full the investigation and replace trial paperwork with this data.

In oncology, we and our accomplice Merck have a number of late-stage research underway evaluating INT, or mRNA-4157, together with Keytruda. The primary of which, adjuvant melanoma, is a part of our 10 prioritized applications. The part 3 for that is now totally enrolled. Two further part 3 research are underway in non-small cell lung most cancers, and there are two randomized part 2 trials ongoing in high-risk muscle-invasive bladder most cancers and adjuvant renal cell carcinoma.

In uncommon ailments, propionic acidemia, or PA, is in its registrational examine; and methylmalonic acidemia, or MMA, we’ve — with MMA, we’ve agreed with FDA on our pivotal examine design and anticipate to start out that examine in 2025. With that, I will now hand it again to Stephane.

Stephane V. Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Stephen and Jamey. For 2025, we’ve three priorities. Precedence one is to drive gross sales of accepted merchandise. Precedence two is to give attention to our late-stage pipeline the place we imagine we’ve as much as 10 product approvals over the following three years and which ought to drive gross sales development and diversification.

Precedence three is to ship price effectivity throughout the enterprise. Let me take you thru every of those. Our first precedence is to drive use of Spikevax and mResvia vaccines. Importantly, we entered 2025 with two accepted merchandise, which provides us a greater aggressive positioning than after we entered 2024.

We [Inaudible] within the U.S., we anticipate to higher compete within the respiratory vaccine market. As well as, upcoming mResvia approvals outdoors the U.S. must also add to gross sales in 2025. Precedence two, we’re targeted on delivering as much as 10 merchandise approval over the following three years, which we imagine will drive gross sales development.

Collectively, these 10 anticipated merchandise goal a complete addressable market of over $30 billion. Precedence three, ship price efficiencies throughout the enterprise. We have demonstrated our dedication to price financial savings by the $2.6 billion price discount we made in 2024. We’ll proceed to give attention to enhancing effectivity by lowering prices throughout all the firm, throughout manufacturing, throughout the R and likewise D, and throughout SG&A in 2025 but in addition in 2026.

For effectivity program, we’re lowering money prices to an estimated $5.5 billion in 2025 and $5 billion in 2026. This brings our complete money price discount to over effectively over $1 billion over these two years from the $6.3 billion in 2024. We’ll proceed to deal with our price construction to make sure we break even on a money price foundation no later than 2028. In different phrases, to be very clear, if wanted, we are going to scale back our price construction additional than the 5 billion money price stage if our gross sales goals usually are not met.

For us to have 10 [Inaudible] merchandise, we anticipate vital milestones. We discover three areas. For CMV, we look ahead to having the ultimate results of our part 3 examine in 2025. Norovirus vaccines are in part 3 research, and the timing of the information will likely be topic to case accrual.

For the INT vaccine for adjuvant melanoma, we may even be topic to occasion accrual. For PA, we’re already producing knowledge from our registrational examine, and we anticipate to start out a registrational examine for MMA this yr. We’ll proceed to give attention to delivering the best potential impression to folks by way of mRNA medicines. Our portfolio of merchandise and pipeline are progressing effectively.

Two accepted merchandise, three [Inaudible] filed, and 6 part 3 or pivotal research ongoing. Our mRNA platform is working. We have demonstrated progress in our price discount program. We have now proven that we’ve the monetary self-discipline to attain our objectives and fulfill our mission.

With this, operator, we’ll be completely happy to take questions.

Questions & Solutions:

Operator

Thanks. [Operator instructions] Our first query comes from Ellie Merle with UBS. Your line is open.

Ellie Merle — Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the query. Are you able to assist us perceive the breakdown of the R&D spend throughout your program? So, in the event you wanted to or needed to cut back R&D spend additional, how a lot flexibility is there on the expense construction there for, say, additional cuts within the 2026 timeframe? After which only a second query, on the medical maintain on norovirus, are you able to give any extra element round form of this why one case of GBS prompted the medical maintain? And yeah, any extra shade surrounding the state of affairs there could be useful. Thanks.

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. Thanks, Ellie, for the questions. Possibly I will handle the primary one on R&D. So, we nonetheless suppose there’s a variety of room to be lowered and a variety of flexibility.

So, as a reminder, we’re guiding $4.1 billion for 2025. And in R&D Day, we mentioned we might take it down by $1.1 billion {dollars} from the $4.8 billion stage by 2027. So, that means plenty of about $3.6 billion, $3.7 billion. To reply your query on what we’re spending on, that is nonetheless again primarily over 50% of our trial spend.

And due to this fact, overhead is expounded to respiratory trials, which, as you already know, we anticipate to roll off over this yr and the next yr. After which the one different part 3 trials that we have began are in latent illness and oncology for norovirus and CMV and INT, and we anticipate these to be lowered over the approaching years as effectively. So, we anticipate that there will likely be some flexibility past the $3.6 billion that we have already indicated. However proper now, we’re nonetheless monitoring the gross sales line, however that’s an space that we may proceed to cut back if want be.

Stephen Hoge — President

And thanks for the second query. I will take it. So, just a bit little bit of context. As you alluded to, you already know, GBS does occur clearly within the background inhabitants.

It is normally seen in older adults, about one to 2 per 100,000 members per yr or folks per yr. And given we have enrolled effectively over 250,000 members in research over the past couple of years, it would not be stunning to see instances in our medical trials, as you steered. And though that hasn’t been related as a threat issue with our accepted vaccines, you already know, that is one thing that does occur. Because it pertains to this case, after we recognized it, we proactively determined to pause our actions and replace our examine paperwork as a result of we prioritize affected person security and clearly transparency, before everything, and we needed to guarantee that all that data was shared as quickly because the case emerged.

We submitted these for evaluate with regulators globally, and the FDA has positioned us on a medical maintain whereas they evaluate that data and people paperwork. Maybe most significantly, for examine conduct, as a result of we had enrolled and dosed everyone previous to the emergence of this case within the present season examine, we actually do not anticipate there to be any impression on the conduct of the examine or its timelines for readout on efficacy, which is able to finally be case-driven. So, from our aspect, that is nearly being prudent and clear and ensuring that we’re prioritizing affected person security.

Ellie Merle — Analyst

Understood. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Gena Wang with Barclays. Your line is open.

Gena Wang — Analyst

Thanks. Possibly I will simply observe up on the norovirus. What wouldn’t it take for the FDA to take away the medical maintain? What sort of an consequence they’d deem to be OK? After which associated — one other query concerning the CMV. Now, we must always see extra occasions accrue.

Will it nonetheless occur within the first half of ’25, ought to we see the ultimate readout?

Stephen Hoge — President

So, Gena, you broke for only a second. May you repeat the CMV portion of the query?

Gena Wang — Analyst

Certain. CMV, you already know, since now we’re seeing further months of occasions accruing, ought to we nonetheless have the ability to see the ultimate readout within the first half of ’25?

Stephen Hoge — President

Thanks. So, I feel — let me take care of that first. So, sure, we proceed to accrue instances within the CMV trial. As I mentioned, we stay blinded to the interim evaluation.

We nonetheless do anticipate that lead to 2025. I do not know that we have guided to the particular timing, however we nonetheless do anticipate the lead to ’25. Because it pertains to norovirus medical maintain, clearly, I feel the FDA wants time to evaluate the supplies we have submitted. They could come again with some questions.

In the event that they do, we’ll reply these. However as has been steered even within the query, the case of GBS will not be essentially sudden. And since we have up to date the paperwork, we actually do anticipate there to be minimal impression on trial conduct at this level. However it could be finally as much as the company what they should see earlier than we transfer ahead with additional enrollment in our examine.

Gena Wang — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Michael Yee with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Michael Yee — Analyst

Hello. Thanks. Good morning. We had two timing questions for you, guys.

First on the INT most cancers vaccine, which, in fact, is a extremely thrilling product. I feel, beforehand, in the event you’ve performed some math on the part 2, it is definitely potential on the occasion charges that had been seen in part 2 that the information may come by finish of yr or first half of ’26, and the corporate has not completely dissuaded us or others from that kind of timing. Do you typically agree with that timing and may you shed some gentle on how to consider the powering for the INT most cancers vaccine main finish level? After which equally, with the norovirus, I feel you talked about that you simply’re enrolling the Southern Hemisphere however accomplished the Northern. Do you want each to hit the first or to hit the occasion charge and simply assist us perceive the timing of that even if it is on maintain, the Northern, which already accomplished enrollment? Thanks.

Stephen Hoge — President

Thanks for the query. So, first, on INT, the — there are some variations between the examine inhabitants between the part 2 and the part 3, and so we are going to wish to be guided by the precise occasion accrual, case accrual charge, the relapse charge within the part 3 examine earlier than we really feel assured that we may provide a timing on that. And so, as we’ve began to accrue instances — the examine, as you already know, is totally enrolled, so there are going to be occasions that begin to occur — we’ll have a greater sense of that. Definitely, you already know, 2026 appears potential, believable.

However whether or not or not it may very well be on the early aspect of that or the late aspect of that, we simply do not know at this level. It’s event-driven. And so, extra as we’ve data sooner or later. On the query of norovirus, so we’ve — we totally enrolled and totally dosed the Northern Hemisphere examine, which is almost all of the examine.

However given epidemiology, we additionally needed to enroll some members in Southern Hemisphere geographies. On the finish of the day, we may even be case-driven, so that you finally want instances of norovirus towards that efficacy finish level as a result of the bulk — the sizable majority of the examine is totally enrolled now. However this Northern Hemisphere is totally enrolled, which is almost all of the members we meant. It is potential that we can’t want Southern Hemisphere members, however we do intend to enroll Southern Hemisphere as a result of we would like a broader epidemiology towards that ultimate finish level.

So, once more, we do not know when that can occur. We do at present hope that we’re sufficiently powered on this season to see efficacy. But when extra members are wanted, then, in fact, we are going to enroll them to accrue extra instances towards that efficacy finish level.

Michael Yee — Analyst

Acquired it. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Salveen Richter — Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. May you assist us perceive what the medical bar is for the norovirus program? After which on the INT portfolio, will we get any knowledge or simply enrollment updates for the applications past melanoma? Thanks.

Stephen Hoge — President

So, the — on the medical bar for norovirus, clearly, you already know, there are different vaccines on the market for gastrointestinal infections, rotavirus and others, the place we are going to wish to present a significant lower within the charge of reasonable to extreme gastrointestinal signs. These are actually the place the burden of illness occurs, significantly in higher-risk populations like older adults or the immunocompromised. We’ll take a look at a fairly broad vary of finish factors as secondary exploratory finish factors as effectively, issues like hospitalization, utilization of healthcare providers. We have now not disclosed our goal product profile for that but or the powering assumptions we’ve on this interim evaluation, and so I will not do this right here, however we are going to maybe, sooner or later, present an replace on that.

However we will likely be searching for a significant discount within the charge of reasonable to extreme acute gastroenteritis. As for INT, clearly, we’re all wanting ahead to the melanoma — adjuvant melanoma part 3 readout. As you already know and as I discussed, there are further part 3s, in addition to two randomized part 2s, together with in bladder most cancers and renal cell carcinoma, which, relying on the speed of accrual of occasions, may have readouts that we might be updating on as effectively within the coming years.

Operator

Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from Terence Flynn with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Terence Flynn — Analyst

Hello. Thanks for taking the query. Possibly a two-part for me. Simply questioning in the event you can verify in the event you nonetheless haven’t seen any instances of GBS along with your RSV vaccine.

After which I do know you filed for approval for the COVID-flu combo vaccine, and it appears like now you are ready for some vaccine efficacy knowledge. Are you able to inform us something extra there about, you already know, what the bar is, is it solely on the flu aspect or do you want vaccine efficacy for each COVID as effectively, and type of what stage of safety you are — it’s essential see? Thanks.

Stephen Hoge — President

Thanks for each questions. So, first, I can verify that GBS has not but or has not been recognized as a threat issue for RSV vaccine or our COVID vaccine Spikevax to this point. And so, clearly, we’ll proceed to trace that intently, however that is encouraging. On the combo examine, so we’ve demonstrated efficacy for the COVID element.

As chances are you’ll bear in mind, mRNA-1283 had a profitable efficacy examine in — that we introduced final yr, and that’s the COVID element of the mix vaccine, and so it does fulfill that requirement. As for the flu vaccine, we’ve had a number of part 3 readouts in our flu vaccines, in addition to for the combo vaccine, demonstrating non-inferior or superior immunogenicity and good security profile for these vaccines, however we’ve not but demonstrated efficacy for the flu element of that vaccine. That trial, as I discussed, is definitely ongoing proper now. And on condition that it’s a strong flu season within the Northern Hemisphere, as many of us know, and given the case accrual charge we see there, we do anticipate that we’ll — we’re really fairly optimistic we’ll have the ability to conduct the primary interim evaluation of efficacy on the finish of this present season.

And so, that will then be the demonstration of efficacy for the flu element of the combo vaccine.

Operator

Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from Tyler Van Buren with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Tyler Van Buren — Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for the replace and for taking the query. Relating to CMV, simply to substantiate, although the criterion for early efficacy was not met on the interim, is it nonetheless potential {that a} greater vaccine efficacy threshold from the primary interim may nonetheless be reached with the ultimate evaluation as a consequence of a large confidence interval with fewer sufferers on the time of DSMB evaluate or do you suppose that is much less seemingly?

Stephen Hoge — President

Thanks for the query. So, you already know, what we — in the event you take a look at the facility that we had at that first interim evaluation, it really, you already know, was meant as an early look however not sufficiently powered that you’d have excessive confidence if it was in between efficacy. And for that purpose, it’s nonetheless very a lot potential that, on the ultimate evaluation, with many extra instances, the arrogance intervals slender, and what we see is some extent estimate for efficacy that’s favorable from our perspective, meets or exceeds our expectations for the goal product profile. A very powerful factor to say, although, is that we stay fully blind to this.

All we all know is that the arrogance interval didn’t exclude the decrease sure goal. And given the powering of the examine that — for that interim evaluation, that is not essentially stunning, stopping for early efficacy, early standards, and would have been an upside state of affairs in our view. So, we stay blinded. We’ll accrue the total variety of instances.

We proceed doing that in that examine, after which we’ll look to that ultimate evaluation, which is definitely the totally powered evaluation, for assessing towards our goal product profile.

Operator

Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from Luca Issi with RBC Capital. Your line is open.

Luca Issi — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Nice. Thanks a lot for taking my query. Possibly, Stephane, large image, everyone knows that you’ve labored very intently with the Trump administration through the pandemic, however have you ever talked to both the president, RFK, or any of their consultant this time round? If that’s the case, what has been the message that you’ve been listening to from them? I feel any shade there could be a lot appreciated. After which perhaps second, Stephen, on norovirus, are you able to simply speak concerning the timing of the GBS case? Is that one thing that happens quickly after the person receives the vaccine or perhaps many months after that? I am simply making an attempt to grasp correlation versus causation right here.

So, once more, any shade, a lot appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Stephane V. Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Thanks for the query. So, as you already know, we labored productively with the Trump administration within the President Trump’s first mandate, and we look ahead to working with the brand new staff as they get confirmed by the Senate and the totally different members. Vaccines are crucial piece of preserving folks wholesome, and we look ahead to having these discussions as folks get confirmed. Stephen.

Stephen Hoge — President

Yeah. And as — on the norovirus case, as you most likely will know, we — we have enrolled about 20,000 members in that examine in simply the final couple of months. It is all been comparatively fast enrollment for the present norovirus season. For that purpose, you already know, you’ll be able to think about that it is comparatively proximal, which is why we’re being cautious in speaking round it, before everything, with members, investigators, and regulators, simply so that they have that data.

Now, to the purpose of correlation versus causation, it is vital to notice that, on this case, they’re — these extraordinarily uncommon occasions that do occur, it’s totally exhausting usually to lastly decide a causal relationship. And so, aside from reporting it that it occurred round this time and investigating it totally and speaking about it, we could by no means have a solution past that. However out of respect for the, you already know, confidentiality for that participant, and extra typically, I do not suppose I’d provide any extra details about it aside from we proceed to research it and see if what the potential causes could be.

Luca Issi — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Acquired it. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Cory Kasimov with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Unknown speaker — — Analyst

Hello. That is Adi on for Cory. I needed to ask on what potential adjustments have you ever seen up to now month that has triggered the bump to expense steering already?

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

To expense steering, Adi?

Unknown speaker — — Analyst

The rise in, you already know, R&D and SG&A spend.

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

I feel — so I do not know if it is a bit complicated. So, we have been principally speaking about two totally different units of numbers, neither have modified. One is our GAAP price, Adi, and one which incorporates stock-based compensation and depreciation and amortization. So, perhaps that is what you are referring to versus what we outline as money prices, which excludes these two numbers, which haven’t modified.

And as a reminder, these numbers had been near $9 billion in 2023. They’d — we had $6.3 billion in 2024. We’re guiding to $5.5 billion in 2025 and $5 billion in 2026. So, maybe you are wanting on the GAAP inclusion, however I — we’ve not modified any estimates from our price.

Unknown speaker — — Analyst

Acquired it. And I had only one extra follow-up, in the event you can present any extra shade on the language of the PA program? The PR at JPM and immediately’s PR counsel potential lower in MDE frequency. Needed just a few further shade on it.

Stephen Hoge — President

Yeah. Thanks for that. So, on the — as we had beforehand disclosed from our ongoing medical trial there, we’ve seen a big — a considerable lower within the charge of metabolic decompensation occasions in that propionic acidemia, PA, examine. And we imagine and finally have agreed with regulators that that’s the finish level that we’ll assess for the pivotal a part of that examine.

We have moved ahead into that pivotal part. So, what we’ll be is the charges of metabolic decompensation, or MDEs, for members previous to being on drug versus as soon as they begin remedy with that medication. That charge and the discount in it should finally be, we imagine, the pivotal finish level that will assist registration for the drug for PA. And so, as we transfer ahead with new members, in addition to some older different members who’re already on the examine, we’ll be that comparability on discount within the charges of MDE.

Operator

Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from Courtney Breen with Bernstein. Your line is open.

Courtney Breen — AllianceBernstein — Analyst

Unbelievable. Thanks a lot for taking the decision immediately — taking the query immediately. I needed to type of pivot a bit of bit to a few of the prices as effectively and particularly the stock write-downs. I feel they proceed to be a problem for type of seasonal vaccines the place you need to produce prematurely after which see the season play out.

I’d love to grasp a bit of bit extra about what the longer term seems like on this area. You are going to proceed to be in a seasonal market type of each with COVID and now with flu and with RSV. And so, as we take into consideration type of projecting and manufacturing appropriately to attenuate these write-downs however maximize the chance, what does good appear to be, primary, type of what’s the aim by way of restricted stock write-downs? And quantity two, type of what are the issues that you simply’re altering to type of proceed to enhance your means to make to the correct amount?

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah, thanks for the query, Courtney. It is an important one. So, as you already know, and perhaps simply to step again, you already know, 2023, I overlook what the numbers are, however we have lowered this dramatically already. However nonetheless, we did have $500 million of stock write-downs in 2024 and about $100 million of unutilized manufacturing capability.

And so, at $600 million on $3 billion of gross sales, that’s clearly not what beauty like but. What I’ll say is far of that is associated to our uncooked supplies the place we take a stock reserve primarily based upon future demand. And in the event you take a look at our stock ranges now, Courtney, we’re beneath $300 million, I feel $270 million. So, the go ahead ought to look significantly better as we venture transferring ahead on the uncooked materials aspect.

On the surplus capability aspect, you are proper, we nonetheless have a good quantity of both write-offs of fine product that we produce as a result of we produced final yr, for instance, we assumed $4 billion in gross sales and we got here in at $3 billion, so we clearly overproduced. And we’re nonetheless going to supply to the upper finish of our steering vary of $1.5 billion to $2.5 billion, which is why you see a price of gross sales within the neighborhood of fifty%. However as we get higher, what we’re engaged on is matching what does that future demand appear to be and what’s the provide that we must always account for. And for example, as we have continued to regulate for that, that is the instance of the termination of a contract manufacturing settlement that we had within the fourth quarter.

So, we proceed to be proactive about what’s that future demand, what’s the capability we require, and it’s best to see that come down. And positively, 600 million on 3 billion will not be what we anticipate. We would like that to be, you already know, lower than 10% as an instance over time. However I am not saying that that can occur within the yr 2025, however it should get higher additionally as a result of our stock steadiness is down dramatically.

Courtney Breen — AllianceBernstein — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Edward Tenthoff with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Edward Tenthoff — Analyst

Nice. Thanks very a lot. Most of my questions have been answered, however I feel I noticed some information perhaps on the Vertex CF program, and I used to be questioning in the event you may simply type of give us an replace on what is going on on there with that uncommon illness program? Thanks.

Stephen Hoge — President

Yeah. So, thanks for the query, Ted. So, we proceed with our accomplice Vertex, who’s conducting that medical trial. So, they’re the sponsor for the examine and have probably the most data on it.

However we proceed down the trail of we have accomplished the one ascending dose portion of that trial and at the moment are within the a number of ascending dose portion of that trial. That’s sufferers receiving remedy recurrently to finally measure whether or not or not we’re having an impact on our respiratory measures and hopefully general addressing the burden of CF in these sufferers that may’t take the small molecule correctors. We do anticipate a readout from that a number of ascending dose trial. I feel Vertex has beforehand guided that we anticipate that this yr, and we are going to search for them to supply additional updates on that timing in the event that they occur.

Edward Tenthoff — Analyst

Nice. Thanks, Stephen.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Jessica Fye with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Jessica Fye — Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I had just a few follow-ups for Stephen simply from prior questions I hoped to make clear the response on.

On norovirus, how assured are you that the trial won’t go on some equal of medical maintain within the Southern Hemisphere? Produce other international regulators confirmed they don’t want a pause to evaluate the knowledge or is there an opportunity of stoppage there? For CMV, simply following up on Gena’s query. I feel, up to now, you had mentioned the ultimate CMV evaluation may come mere months after the interim, which we heard about in January. So, ought to we nonetheless consider that as the primary half of ’25 or are you able to make clear the prior reply? After which on the 1083 COVID-flu submitting, I feel the press launch states that approval could require vaccine efficacy knowledge from the part 3 flu trial. Why is {that a} level of uncertainty that the FDA could require it? Have they not been clear with you in your pre-submission assembly? After which lastly, for Jamey, are you able to recap what variables within the COVID vaccine and RSV markets would land you on the low finish or the excessive finish of your ’25 steering of like value vaccination charges, market share, stuff like that? Thanks.

Stephen Hoge — President

So, heaps there for me, so I will go first after which kick it to Jamey. So, first on the Northern Hemisphere and the norovirus examine, as we mentioned, we’re — we are going to look to enroll a second season within the Southern Hemisphere. At current, we don’t anticipate any delays in doing that. On condition that we’ve enrolled over 20,000 members in that examine already in Northern Hemisphere, if there have been any delays, we’re undecided that it could have an effect to check timeline.

However at this level, we’re as assured as we may be the — that there will not be any delays within the Southern Hemisphere. Because it pertains to CMV, on case accrual, the second half — we’ve beforehand mentioned that case accrual was transferring comparatively shortly. It continues to accrue steadily within the examine. In the end, it is an event-driven evaluation, so we won’t essentially predict the timeline, however we beforehand indicated that we anticipated it maybe mid-2025.

We’re not altering that right here. We proceed to imagine that that is potential. And finally, once more, it should rely upon the speed of case accruals, which we do not management. As with the 1083, and so for the flu-COVID product, after we submitted the package deal and as a part of our preliminary trade with regulators, we’re figuring out evaluate questions that they’ve or points.

And as we mentioned in our press launch, in some instances, the proximity of the flu efficacy readout actually does loom massive on the general evaluate for the mix product, and we will likely be — we do anticipate that which may be essential in some instances now, that that flu efficacy readout is anticipated shortly. You recognize, because it pertains to particular person conversations with particular person regulators, I will say we’re working by way of their evaluate questions in that submission, and I will not in any other case touch upon these particular again and forths. And with that, I assume I will flip it over to you, Jamey.

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

OK. Thanks. So, thanks, Jess. Yeah, two — as a reminder, on the excessive finish, the two.5 billion, in the event you exclude the unusuals we noticed in 2024, we name that primarily flat.

So, in my ready remarks, the U.S. got here in at $1.7 billion. It had a $200 million return reversal adjustment from the prior yr, which might take that to a few $1.5 billion quantity. After which outdoors the US, we had been at $1.4 billion, and we mentioned that there was about $400 million of superior buy agreements that the demand stage we do not anticipate repeating.

So, the excessive finish is actually flat, Jess. So, you’ll be able to anticipate each contained in the U.S. and out of doors the U.S. related market share, vaccination charges.

We do have a bit of little bit of uptick in RSV within the excessive finish, but it surely’s altogether quite minimal, on the whole. On the low finish, it principally assumes no improve in RSV. On — within the U.S., you would need to anticipate it to go down considerably. So, you’d must anticipate it to go down 5% to 10% from a market share perspective.

Vaccination charges must go down once more 7% to 10%. Each of these issues must occur to go down as an instance $0.5 billion. After which actually, the most important issue outdoors the US are the licensure timing of our crops within the U.Ok., Canada, and Australia. So, ought to these be licensed and registered on time, we will likely be on the higher finish.

But when they’re delayed, we have factored that into the decrease finish of our steering.

Jessica Fye — Analyst

Very useful. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Simon Baker with Redburn Atlantic. Your line is open.

Simon Baker — Analyst

Thanks for taking my query and there is additionally a clarification. Jamey, you talked about the spend on respiratory trials being 50%. Was that fifty% of your complete trial spend or 50% of your R&D spend? After which simply one other query on the flu-COVID combo, following off from Jessica’s query. I am simply to know what the mechanism is and the timing at which level the regulators may ask for further knowledge.

Is that this one thing that would come at any time? If it occurs sooner quite than later, do you suppose it could have an effect on the approval timeline? And is there any dangers within the U.S. that the preliminary submitting will get a whole response after which you need to refile with that COVID knowledge? Any shade on the machinations of that will be very useful. Thanks.

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. Thanks, Simon. On the primary one, I used to be referencing 50% of the trial expense, which is what we escape in our 10-Ok. There are different line gadgets that hit R&D by way of the overhead that helps it, folks, the websites, and so on., our manufacturing services, in addition to analysis, however the 50% that I used to be referencing is basically trial-related, however you may think about lots of these different prices are additionally associated, due to this fact, to the respiratory trials as effectively.

Stephen Hoge — President

Yeah. Thanks. And so, for the clarifying query, once more, we’ve filed in a number of geographies, and I will not touch upon particular person regulatory exchanges. However typically talking, we — you already know, as part of the preliminary spherical of questions and suggestions that we’re receiving, there are situations the place we predict we will likely be dependent upon that efficacy knowledge from the 1010 examine, which we do anticipate within the coming months, the present season to be accessible.

The timing of that readout and the impression on the evaluate course of for regulators will not be one thing I can predict at this level, however we’re in energetic dialogue with regulators about it. Definitely, it’s potential that if that’s considerably delayed or if it isn’t a positive efficacy readout, that it may, for positive, delay or impression the timelines of approval for the mix product. If we’re capable of full that submission and get that knowledge to regulators and so they’re capable of conduct that evaluate, it is potential that we proceed with that evaluate with out substantial delay. In the end, we do not know at this level as a result of it should rely upon these submissions and discussions with regulators that we’re having proper now.

However we did wish to, you already know, flag that we do suppose primarily based on a few of the preliminary conversations that we could also be dependent upon that knowledge finally for approval with some — in some geographies.

Simon Baker — Analyst

That is very useful. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Myles Minter with William Blair. Your line is open.

Myles Minter — William Blair and Firm — Analyst

Hey. Thanks for taking the query. Only one on potential ACIP suggestion evaluate for RSV vaccines. Do you anticipate that listening to to be in February or the June assembly, and is there something constructed into the highest finish of that 2.5 billion income steering from mResvia that will require a widening of that suggestion than it at present stands? Thanks very a lot.

Stephen Hoge — President

So, I will take the primary query on timing. You recognize, we’re clearly working intently with public well being officers on the widening. We filed for approval for the 18 to 59 high-risk inhabitants. At this level, we’re not but accepted.

And so, from a broader form of engagement with ACIP perspective, we’ll anticipate approval earlier than we do this too broadly. We do anticipate that the benefit-risk is favorable for RSV vaccines, together with mResvia. And so, do look ahead to enlargement of the advice to cowl high-risk populations, each the 50 to 59, which had beforehand been mentioned, however finally, hopefully, 18-plus high-risk populations. And, Jamey, I do not know in the event you’ll take —

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. Certain. Yeah. So, Myles, as I discussed in Jess’ query, we’ve a bit of little bit of development in RSV, however I additionally talked about that we’ve nothing associated to new product approvals in our steering for 2025.

So, that does not embrace the next-gen COVID vaccine or what Stephen simply talked concerning the expanded indication associated to RSV or something from a mix approval ought to it occur.

Myles Minter — William Blair and Firm — Analyst

Nice. Thanks.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Tim Anderson with Financial institution of America. Your line is open.

Tim Anderson — Financial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

Thanks. So, if I may simply return to that final level, in your 2022 income steering, you are not together with any new merchandise. Is sensible for RSV as a result of that will be tiny. Make sense for the combo product due to the explanations that you simply outlined.

However why would not the next-gen COVID product be included in steering at this level on condition that the PDUFA date will not be very far-off, finish of Could? It is a well-characterized paradigm having COVID vaccines on the market. I am simply questioning if that lack of inclusion steering anticipates some uncertainty about approval given the brand new administration coming in and this widespread thread of type of an anti-COVID stance throughout a lot of folks from the Trump administration. After which second query, on norovirus, in the event you’re totally enrolled, what does the FDA acquire by placing this system on medical maintain? Is that only a compelled disclosure of that opposed occasion to the medical and affected person group or is there another purpose why they’d do that?

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah, Tim. Thanks for the query. Possibly I will take the primary one. So, I do not suppose there’s a lot to learn into right here.

I feel we have discovered our lesson coming into 2024 by way of guiding with a product that has but to be accepted. So, transferring ahead, we’ve eradicated any merchandise. In fact, there may very well be upside, however I feel we strategy our steering understanding that there’s variability; and due to this fact, we won’t put the — any income associated to the next-gen COVID or any of the opposite two merchandise as effectively. And once more, I do not suppose there’s anything to learn into because of that.

Stephen Hoge — President

Yeah. So — and on the query of norovirus, so importantly, we’ve already proactively communicated round this to all of the investigators and IRBs and regulators all over the world. So, that communication has occurred. And really, we have up to date all of the paperwork that will be essential to form of broadly establish this.

So, the aim for the medical maintain, you already know, finally, we would must learn — anticipate or ask the FDA that query. I imply, at this level, they’re appropriately and we predict prudently and conservatively reviewing the paperwork and ensuring that they — all their questions are answered round this. It doesn’t impression, from our perspective, proper now, within the Northern Hemisphere examine conduct. And so, we’ll look ahead to participating with them, answering these questions, hopefully finishing that evaluate, eradicating that maintain.

However as we mentioned, we won’t then reinitiate any enrollment as a result of we now have 20,000 members within the Northern Hemisphere, which is greater than we really feel like we want. And so, we’ll simply reply these questions and transfer ahead. However I actually could not provide every other perception round it, but it surely definitely is not round transparency or communication as a result of that each one occurred proactively. We did that earlier than — as we submitted all the knowledge to them and others.

Operator

Thanks, girls and gents. This does conclude the Q&A portion of immediately’s convention. I might like to show the decision again to Stephane for any closing remarks.

Stephane V. Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Thanks very a lot, everyone, for becoming a member of us and to your good questions. Have an important day, and we look ahead to chatting with a few of you within the subsequent hours and within the subsequent days. Bye.

Operator

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Name members:

Lavina Talukdar — Senior Vice President, Head Investor Relations

Stephane V. Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Jamey Mock — Chief Monetary Officer

Stephen Hoge — President

Stéphane Bancel — Chief Government Officer

Ellie Merle — Analyst

Gena Wang — Analyst

Michael Yee — Analyst

Mike Yee — Analyst

Salveen Richter — Analyst

Terence Flynn — Analyst

Tyler Van Buren — Analyst

Luca Issi — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst

Unknown speaker — — Analyst

Courtney Breen — AllianceBernstein — Analyst

Edward Tenthoff — Analyst

Ted Tenthoff — Analyst

Jessica Fye — Analyst

Simon Baker — Analyst

Myles Minter — William Blair and Firm — Analyst

Tim Anderson — Financial institution of America Merrill Lynch — Analyst

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