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MannKind (MNKD -3.19%)
This autumn 2024 Earnings Name
Feb 26, 2025, 4:30 p.m. ET
Contents:
- Ready Remarks
- Questions and Solutions
- Name Individuals
Ready Remarks:
Operator
Good afternoon, and welcome to the MannKind Company fourth quarter and year-end 2024 monetary outcomes earnings name. As a reminder, this name is being recorded on February 26, 2025, and might be out there for playback on the MannKind Company web site shortly after the conclusion of this name and out there for roughly 90 days. This name will comprise forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements are topic to danger and uncertainty, which may trigger precise danger to vary materially from these acknowledged expectations.
For additional data on the corporate’s danger elements, please see the 10-Okay report filed with the Securities and Change Fee this afternoon, the earnings launch, and the slides ready for this presentation. Becoming a member of us immediately for MannKind are chief govt officer, Michael Castagna; and chief monetary officer, Chris Prentiss. I might now like to show the convention over to Mr. Castagna.
Please go forward, sir.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Thanks, operator, and good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for becoming a member of our name immediately. It is by no means been a greater time to be on the journey with MannKind. As I take a look at our future, we now have 5 key pillars.
Now we have two FDA-approved merchandise on our Technosphere platform, a powerful stability sheet with double-digit progress enabling us to have flexibility sooner or later, and likewise the power to fund our two novel pipeline alternatives with clofazimine inhalation suspension and the nintedanib DPI as I am going to discuss later in our name. Let me spotlight This autumn and a few of the year-end highlights from 2024. First, our endocrine enterprise unit had report revenues with This autumn income of $23 million and full 12 months at $82 million. We began this 12 months by appointing Dominic Marasco as president of our EBU, which I am going to discuss at progress technique in a pair slides.
We additionally closed out shortly on the finish of the 12 months with an approval in India, which we anticipate to launch within the second half of this 12 months. Moreover, we introduced our Amphastar collaboration in December, which enabled us to advertise by way of our U.S. gross sales pressure, permitting us to construct up a pediatric footprint sooner than we’d anticipate with out this chance. We anticipate our pediatric indication to be filed right here within the first half with an approval in early 2026.
Tyvaso DPI collaboration stays sturdy, and we proceed to be enthusiastic about the way forward for this necessary alternative that we’ll have on sufferers, particularly these affected by IPF. First, we’ll stroll by way of the financials in a number of moments. Our clofazimine inhalation suspension applications are progressing properly with our section 3 examine now with 70% of websites activated. Enrollment is on monitor to hit our interim purpose by the top of this 12 months to hit 100 sufferers for enrollment, which can permit us to have an interim readout in 2026.
On nintedanib DPI, we had an FDA assembly on the finish of the quarter. Now, that we have accomplished section 1, we’re seeking to advance this to the subsequent stage of improvement. Our monetary ends in This autumn, we had 77 million in income and 286 million for the total 12 months. Our year-end money place ended at 203 million, and we had been in a position to scale back our debt principal by 236 million in 2024.
Now, let me bridge over to our diabetes enterprise. Our diabetes program development is constructed on a number of pillars. The primary was bringing in Dominic Marasco, who’s not with us immediately as a result of he is at our nationwide gross sales assembly and can be part of us at our name in Might. As we take a look at the 4 pillars to Afrezza’s progress, it begins with our staff and getting the suitable folks on the bus and including the medical medical liaisons.
The second is the worldwide alternative with India, which can permit us to convey extra effectivity to manufacturing and assist extra sufferers all over the world. And we’ll even be in search of distributors in some worldwide markets as we go ahead. The following pillar right here is pediatrics. That is one thing we have been ready on and dealing on for seven years, and it is actually necessary to us to remodel the expansion of Afrezza, as we’ll discuss in a second.
We anticipate to have the ability to file this within the first half of 2025 with an approval in second quarter of 2026. There are over 300,000 children within the U.S. affected by sort 1 diabetes. And in the event you’re like my children, making an attempt to offer your child a vaccine or any sort of injection may be very tough, and we sit up for hopefully bringing an possibility to those sufferers sooner or later.
And the fourth pillar we’re beginning to discover is that gestational diabetes. We’re in a position to get an investigator-initiated trial off the bottom hopefully within the first half by way of the Jaeb Middle, as there are over 300,000 ladies who’ve gestational diabetes annually. As we take a look at the report income for Afrezza, we had a 17% year-over-year enhance. We proceed to develop Afrezza regardless of GLP progress, pump innovation, and in addition to our concentrate on profitability.
We’re making ready to speed up the expansion of Afrezza over the subsequent 24 months by way of the initiatives I simply described. As we glance out on the pediatric alternative, it will lead us to projected gross sales at a run charge of over $200 million a 12 months, which is nearly 3 times the place we’re immediately. And I am going to remind you each 10% market share in pediatrics is roughly $150 million in income along with no matter grownup nonetheless over grownup income we now have ongoing. As you take a look at our market analysis we simply completed conducting within the second half of final 12 months, we noticed that about 28% of sufferers might change from MDIs and 14% of sufferers might change from AIDs, which would come with Omnipod and Tandem.
We typically would low cost any such projection by about 50%, however as I learn the quotes right here from the pediatric endocrinologist and the kind 1 caregivers, there’s a huge alternative right here in children to actually assist numerous sufferers, and whether or not that is decreasing the complexities of counting carbs and insulin sensitivity ratios or simply making it simpler for fogeys to manage one thing for his or her kids. So, we’re very, very enthusiastic about pediatrics. You may proceed to see us put together and scale up our investments round this, however do not anticipate a lot change within the first half as we’re actually making ready for the second half as soon as we all know that this file might be on monitor with the FDA. Now, I will bridge to our pipeline.
As we take a look at Tyvaso first, DPI-related revenues had been over $200 million in 2024. And this made the primary billion-dollar product for United Therapeutics, which we’re very proud to be their companion. We’re tremendous excited to see a Technosphere platform has achieved a billion-dollar standing, and we’re really very excited concerning the alternative this supplies us to fund our pipeline with nondilutive financing. As we glance out, we all know there is a main milestone in entrance of us right here with TETON 2 within the second half.
And if that reads out, we’d anticipate that to be reflective of a constructive alternative right here for Tyvaso DPI probably going into IPF sooner or later. Chris will discuss concerning the revenues of Tyvaso shortly. Final 12 months right now, we had two different opponents forward of us shifting ahead in NTM and sadly for sufferers, they did not make it to the top of 2024. We now see a transparent alternative to be the subsequent chief in NTM.
This product that we’re engaged on has had practically a decade of improvement alternative put into it as of immediately. We take into consideration the NTM therapies have extreme limitations, whether or not it is efficacy, security, or tolerability. We basically imagine exercise on the web site of the lung might be vital to remodeling these sufferers’ lives. We imagine the great adoption charge will occur with clofazimine after we take into consideration the rule of thumb assist and the expertise that sufferers and medical doctors have with clofazimine all over the world.
Nonetheless, making this extra handy, higher lung supply, and the assist of the rules, we imagine will create an awesome alternative for sufferers and MannKind sooner or later. One of many key questions we get is round dosing and proof of idea of how we all know that clofazimine really works. So, I needed to convey again some information that we used to make use of, given the renewed focus from traders and our present stage of improvement. The preclinical information round clofazimine demonstrates superiority over oral clofazimine.
This was in our preclinical information after we bought the product that we noticed the numerous reductions versus management and versus oral clofazimine. We had been seeing 99% reductions in colony forming models. We predict this efficacy is reflective of what we expect is encouraging for sufferers. And the subsequent factor adopted by dosing.
So, after we checked out dosing, we had a number of selections to make as clofazimine had a protracted half life, and we’re frightened about drug accumulation. And so, what we thought concerning the drug was between the payer system within the U.S. and length of impact and the burdensome that would include a nebulizer, we checked out actually making this 28 days on and 56 days off. And this was supported by the PK evaluation we did initially in animals adopted by our section 1 examine extrapolating these curves out.
So, our evaluation, insights, and proposals have now been reviewed and permitted by Japan, FDA, in addition to a number of different nations. That is necessary and it will be vital to our present improvement program and alternative to launch efficiently on this market. This all led to the design of our pivotal trial ICoN-1 which is our world section 3 trial. We’re on monitor and anticipate to satisfy our interim enrollment goal of 100 sufferers by the top of this 12 months.
Let me translate that. As soon as we get to 100 sufferers, it will take one other six to eight months in an effort to get the interim evaluation, which can then decide do we now have this trial sized appropriately, or do we now have to go up in dimension. We don’t anticipate to chop off enrollment whereas we watch for this outcome and this perception. So, that if we’re at 100 sufferers and we’re seeing, let’s simply name it 20 sufferers a month enroll, it’ll take six months.
This could give us 220 to 240 sufferers. So, that perception will give us the chance that the trial does should be scaled up. We’ll hopefully have already met that chance by not closing down enrollment. As of immediately, we’re projecting 25% to 30% of our required sufferers for this interim evaluation to be enrolled by the top of Q1.
Now, I need to discuss IPF. IPF is a progressive and deadly illness that has important unmet want for sufferers. Just one in 5 sufferers are at the moment on an FDA permitted drug regardless of being identified and regardless of understanding they’ve choices. The present medication have excessive discontinuation charges and so they’re very, very tough to take.
Regardless of these drawbacks, the 2 merchandise in the marketplace immediately have over $4 billion in mixed gross sales. As we take a look at nintedanib relative to Ofev, we imagine we are able to present comparable pulmonary publicity and efficacy. And we additionally imagine as we take into consideration the opposite merchandise coming in improvement, that nintedanib might be used as a part of the spine of remedy. So, whether or not there’s oral nintedanib or inhaled nintedanib, we don’t see this basis being changed.
We see a lot of the new competitors being added on to remedy versus changing one for one. We efficiently accomplished a section 1 examine right here in 2024. And this was the muse of our FDA briefing ebook right here that we’re assembly with the FDA in early Q2. If all goes properly, we proceed to progress this within the second half to hopefully a section 2 trial.
We’re tremendous excited by nintedanib and what this may imply for sufferers, however we’re nonetheless early on our discussions and sit up for bringing you extra updates because the 12 months progresses. Now, I might like to show it over to Chris. Thanks.
Christopher B. Prentiss — Chief Monetary Officer
Thanks, Mike, and good afternoon, everybody. I’ll now talk about our fourth quarter and full 12 months 2024 monetary outcomes. For a abstract of our financials, please consult with our press launch issued earlier than this name and our Kind 10-Okay on file with the SEC. Fourth quarter revenues had been 77 million, a 31% enhance over final 12 months’s fourth quarter.
For the total 12 months 2024, we recorded revenues of 286 million, a 43% enhance over the prior 12 months. Tyvaso DPI royalties contributed 27 million within the fourth quarter. This was a rise of 28% over the identical quarter final 12 months. Royalties for the 12 months had been 102 million or a 42% enhance as a consequence of UT’s enhance in internet income from gross sales of Tyvaso DPI.
Collaboration and providers income consists primarily of producing income based mostly on manufacturing volumes bought by way of to UT and the popularity of deferred income. We recorded income of $27 million, a 55% enhance from the prior-year quarter, and $101 million for the total 12 months 2024, a 90% enhance in comparison with the prior-year. Afrezza internet income for the fourth quarter was 18 million, an 18% enhance as a consequence of increased demand and improved growth-to-net changes. For the total 12 months 2024, Afrezza income was 64 million, a 17% enhance over 2023.
This enhance was as a consequence of increased demand, pricing, and improved growth-to-net changes. V-Go internet income was roughly $5 million for the fourth quarter, a rise of 1% over the identical quarter within the prior 12 months. And the total 12 months 2024 revenues had been $18 million, a lower of 4% over the prior 12 months. This is because of decrease product demand, partially offset by improved growth-to-net changes, and elevated value.
As a reminder, as of the fourth quarter of 2024, the gross sales pressure is now not actively selling V-Go. Whereas we proceed to make the product out there to sufferers, we imagine V-Go has reached its peak annual gross sales given the shortage of promotion behind it. As we beforehand talked about on this name, our enterprise demonstrated sturdy double-digit income progress in comparison with final 12 months, led by revenues associated to Tyvaso DPI, which exceeded 200 million for the 12 months. Our annual income tendencies from 2020 by way of 2024 additionally present a constant enhance with double-digit income progress 12 months over 12 months.
We had a powerful end to the 12 months, delivering important progress throughout the three income streams, leading to an annualized run charge of 300 million. Our 2024 revenues grew by 43%, pushed by Tyvaso DPI-related revenues, which supplies nondilutive funding for our pipeline. For 2024, we reported internet revenue of 28 million, or $0.10 per share, in comparison with a internet lack of 12 million, or $0.04 per share for 2023. On a non-GAAP foundation, we reported 68 million of internet revenue, or $0.25 in earnings per share for 2024, in comparison with 6 million of non-GAAP internet revenue, or $0.02 per share for the prior 12 months.
In 2024, we remodeled our stability sheet, paying down debt of 236 million throughout three devices, leading to a remaining debt stability of simply $36 million associated to our senior convertible notes. We used a mix of money and inventory to keep away from potential dilution of 12 million shares of widespread inventory, whereas additionally saving $9 million in curiosity expense by way of maturity. With this minimal debt stability and our sturdy money place of 203 million, we now have a powerful stability sheet to execute on our goals, together with driving business progress and funding our pipeline. With that, I’ll now flip the decision again over to Mike.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Thanks, Chris, and thanks for all the nice work you probably did in 2024. Trying ahead to 2025. As we take a look at our anticipated catalysts throughout our pillars right here, first is with the Afrezza, we’ll put together to launch the product within the second half of 25. INHALE-1, our pediatric alternative I talked about actually units us up for a 2026 alternative, assuming we are able to file this within the first half of 25.
INHALE-3, we have submitted a label change and we await the suggestions from the FDA on this chance to replace our label within the second half of this 12 months. As we glance to 101, we anticipate to have 90% of our websites activated by the primary half and meet our ongoing examine enrollment objectives by the top of this 12 months. 201, we now have a gathering already arrange on the books with the FDA, and that may arrange the stage for the subsequent section of improvement of this asset. As I talked about, having this with DPI is a big alternative to assist these sufferers undergo from IPF with the readouts of TETON 1 subsequent 12 months and TETON 2 this 12 months.
As we take a look at our journey schedule, it is fairly sturdy over the approaching month. We’ll be at Leerink and Barclays there in March eleventh and twelfth, then heading over to ATT in Amsterdam, the place we now have an awesome alternative to have 5 shows and several other conferences with KOLs as we begin to get able to scale up our diabetes enterprise. Along with these conferences, we sit up for partaking with you over the subsequent few months, both by way of our non-deal roadshows, conferences, or one-on-one alternatives. There’s numerous curiosity in our turnaround story, and our stakeholders we discuss with are excited by the subsequent pillars of progress that we have laid out for our future.
I sit up for speaking to all of you and hopefully having an awesome 2025. Thanks to your time. We’ll now be prepared for questions, operator.
Questions & Solutions:
Operator
[Operator instructions] And it is from the road of Olivia Brayer with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed.
Olivia Brayer — Analyst
Hello. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for the query, and congrats on all of the progress. Recognize the updates on all of the pipeline applications there.
Chris, are you able to discuss a bit of bit about how we must be desirous about margins over the subsequent few quarters, but additionally simply the approaching years, simply given a few of the investments you all plan to make within the Afrezza enterprise later this 12 months. After which have a few follow-ups on Tyvaso.
Christopher B. Prentiss — Chief Monetary Officer
Yeah, as I take into consideration margin, I am desirous about actually the income, that is the price of items. And so, actually the utilization of our manufacturing plant with the buildup of Tyvaso DPI along with Afrezza has allowed our margins to enhance. These are most likely attending to a reasonably regular state that you would be able to take into consideration for going ahead.
Olivia Brayer — Analyst
OK, received it. After which, on DPI, are you able to guys give any extra granularity or put some numbers across the gross-to-net discounting and rebates that occurred this quarter and whether or not that is the brand new norm going ahead? After which, additionally, we’re getting nearer to these TETON readouts and IPF. So, what’s your base case proper now by way of when a DPI bridging examine might really occur and simply what the subsequent steps and timelines is perhaps for DPI and IPF?
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Positive. Olivia, it is Mike right here. Thanks for the questions. I believe such as you most likely might have heard this morning on United’s name, they imagine the brand new norm is roughly what we noticed right here in This autumn and must be constant by way of the 12 months.
So, that is our working assumptions right here on this facet. So, you already know, we form of knew this was rising as we got here into the brand new 12 months. So, you already know, I believe it is good to see that it is now inbuilt to their This autumn going ahead. On the bridging examine, I imagine UT stated publicly that they need to do the bridging examine.
Now we have a gathering come up right here in Q2 that I anticipate us to debate what that would appear to be and the way that will form up. And that, to me, would be the subsequent steps right here. So, keep in mind, they want TETON 2 is the earliest examine we’ll have this 12 months, however TETON 1 might be vital, I imagine, for the U.S. submitting.
So, if we get respectable outcomes right here in Q3 from United, then I believe that offers you sufficient time to align with the FDA and the bridging examine and hopefully get that carried out as quickly as doable, near TETON 1 readouts that come out someday subsequent 12 months. So, we’ll work collaboratively with them, however I believe we’re getting shut sufficient that these discussions will speed up fairly shortly going ahead.
Olivia Brayer — Analyst
OK. Nice. Thanks.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Thanks.
Operator
Thanks. One second for our subsequent query. And it is from the road of Faisal Khurshid with Leerink Companions. Please proceed.
Faisal Khurshid — Analyst
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the query. I simply need to ask, you already know, how are you desirous about type of just like the stability of like defending operational profitability versus funding within the potential like pediatric launch for Afrezza?
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Yeah. I imply, I believe the excellent news is we now have to deploy capital. Now we have capital to deploy, I am going to say. And I believe we received to greatest deploy that capital that drives the most effective return for shareholders.
And so, we imagine, we have taken out the No. 1 that was our focus right here. So, I believe the subsequent huge focus for us is launching pediatrics appropriately. I do not assume you may see an extremely loopy spend towards it, however I do imagine that is the subsequent greatest supply of capital on prime of the clofazimine trial and nintedanib trial.
So, I believe that is the place you need to be desirous about is how we greatest deploying the profitability that we do have. And I believe traders need progress on the highest line and milestones and alternatives for readouts of medical information units over the subsequent two, three years. So, that is actually what we’re aiming for. And I believe you form of noticed — we actually do imagine if Afrezza can get to the 200 million plus.
That is most likely the most important income upside as we take a look at the subsequent 18 to 24 months. We actually need to be sure we set that up for achievement.
Faisal Khurshid — Analyst
Bought it. OK. After which how are you desirous about like potential pipeline enlargement alternatives? Is {that a} precedence? And the place does that sit form of relative to those different objectives and likewise form of like towards like money stability?
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
So, we now have a number of extra product, alternatives, I am going to say, that are not public but that we’re engaged on. And so I do imagine perhaps towards the top of the 12 months, you may hear a bit of bit extra perhaps early subsequent 12 months, however we’re engaged on completely different concepts along with lifecycle administration of Afrezza, in addition to clofazimine. So these are the opposite issues that you do not see which can be coming that we’ll give updates on because the 12 months progresses. So, simply how will we get a decrease dose, the next dose cartridge of Afrezza, clofazimine powder.
So, these are extra work capability issues that the staff is engaged on, on prime of the size up of the power. So, I might simply say there’s a big group of individuals working fairly exhausting on medical provide manufacturing, scale up manufacturing, Tyvaso enlargement, and Afrezza lifecycle administration. So there’s rather a lot occurring. And along with that, we received extra molecules we’re seeking to formulate and develop and produce the sufferers over the approaching years.
So, you may proceed to listen to that. We’re not carried out, I assume, if that is your basic query.
Faisal Khurshid — Analyst
Yep, sounds good. All proper, cool. Thanks for taking the questions.
Operator
Thanks. Our subsequent query is from Gregory Renza with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed.
Anish Nikhanj — Analyst
Hello, guys. It is Anish on for Greg. Congrats on the progress this quarter and thru ’24, and thanks for taking our questions. Only a couple from us on Afrezza.
First, as you consider a possible launch in peds, how are you desirous about the plotting of the launch trajectory and uptake? What hurdles do you anticipate alongside the way in which? And second, perhaps simply on the settlement with Cipla in India, how ought to we be desirous about the relative contribution to Afrezza’s prime line over the subsequent couple of years? Thanks a lot.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
I believe on the peds, that is the work we’re doing right here as we prepare for Q2 to offer you guys an replace. I hope on the subsequent earnings name right here. However I believe if I needed to say, there are most likely three vital success elements as we take into consideration Afrezza in children. Primary is making certain the reimbursement hub is greatest at school in order that course of is as clean as doable for purchasers to entry the product or get the product.
And we’re making adjustments proper now right here in Q1 that might be prepared in Q2 in order that we are able to launch these within the business elements immediately. However that is actually necessary for the pediatric market, to make that straightforward. I believe the second is, traditionally, we have been stronger in personal observe places of work, which has been nice to have a small gross sales pressure footprint. However as you consider the place we’re going, we want nice entry and skill to promote into establishments.
And that is a unique ability set than what our gross sales pressure has immediately. So, we’re seeking to see how we are able to bolster that up with key account managers. There’s about 40 key educational facilities. They had been all in our medical trials.
And so, I might say institutional promoting skill and capabilities would be the subsequent huge pillar right here. After which, the third one is schooling and consciousness. And I believe that goes into client social media stuff, convention planning, whether or not that is client conferences or doctor conferences, after which simply pure medical schooling. So, the product’s been in the marketplace 10 years.
There’s clearly all the time a security overhang across the lungs. And I believe as folks take a look at the pediatric information, you possibly can see the lung security information appears to be like actually clear. And, subsequently, we have got to actually handle that and message that correctly and clearly across the stability of the security profile that individuals might have questions round. So, I believe if we nail these three issues, we’ll see a pleasant, quick uptake.
If we’re lacking any a type of pillars, I believe that’ll harm the uptake. And that is why we’re making so many investments going to the second half to get us prepared for that. So, hopefully, that solutions the three Afrezza hurdles I see for peds. On the less complicated facet, I might say we anticipate the import manufacturing approval right here within the Q3 time-frame.
After which, simply relying on the packaging and the delivery and a few of that elements, we’d anticipate to have the ability to ship our first order by the top of the 12 months. That might slip within the occasion there is a delay in India or shift in packaging or printing or lead instances on one thing vital. However at this level, we’re aiming to be prepared by the top of the 12 months to hopefully get our first cargo out. However I would not attempt to put rather a lot in there for the long run years.
Simply know that it might have respectable quantity implications, which might in the end make the manufacturing unit extra environment friendly and, you already know, enhance the general effectivity of our COGS for the corporate. And so, that is, I believe, as we get clear long-term provide preparations with Cipla, we’ll be capable of provide you with a bit of bit extra steerage on the longer-range forecast. However I believe whenever you look out, whether or not it is Afrezza peds in ’26 or India in ’26, or perhaps going again to some distributors in ’26, we must always begin to see an inflection in Afrezza gross sales beginning in ’26.
Anish Nikhanj — Analyst
Nice. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from the road of Andreas Argyrides with Oppenheimer. Please proceed.
Andreas Argyrides — Analyst
Good afternoon, and thanks for taking our questions and offering all these updates. Congrats additionally on a strong 12 months. Simply needed to observe up on a query that was requested earlier. If you happen to might simply elaborate a bit of bit extra on the contracting dynamics, whether or not this was a form of a one-time change throughout the quarter.
And is there potential for a catch-up in Q1? After which, shortly, desirous about the updates that we will get on 201 later this 12 months, you are planning to satisfy with the FDA within the first half. You realize, what are a few of the security efficacy endpoints that you just guys are contemplating? And what might a section 1 — sorry, a trial appear to be of the section 1? Yep, thanks.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
On the contracting dynamics, I do not assume I’ve far more so as to add aside from what Tyvaso and United Therapeutics described immediately, which is it appears to be like prefer it began to construct up in Q3. I believe This autumn, they received to the even share. You possibly can see that had some, I believe quantity, and what I hear from them is quantity referrals and contracts are trying sturdy. Sufferers ought to have respectable entry to Tyvaso DPI all year long.
And I believe that that is nice. I believe that is what we wish. And I would not anticipate — from their feedback, not less than publicly, I would not anticipate any extra shifts in main method by way of gross margins or internet income, given the tendencies and the reductions which can be inbuilt to the present dynamics. So, it is a good distance of claiming I anticipate regular state is what we’re budgeting and constructing in the remainder of the 12 months.
I believe somebody requested earlier concerning the IPF and the bridging examine. We’re not constructing in that upside income state of affairs to fund our progress. We would like to have the ability to self fund our progress on our present tendencies, and we really feel excellent about these plans and skills to proceed to try this. So, that is all upside by way of capital allocation if IPF hits later this 12 months.
On the 201, we meet with FDA, I imagine, within the early a part of April. I will be at that assembly. Now we have two conferences with the FDA the identical week. So, it will be a busy week between Afrezza and 201.
And I believe each of these conferences will lay out actually what’s a strong basis of milestones over the subsequent 12 to 18 months. And whether or not that is the peds submitting timeline to 201 progressing to section 2 with, hopefully, as we kick that off, that would set us up for, you already know, midterm ’26 unfold out on clofazimine, adopted by, hopefully, inside a brief period of time, an replace on the section 2 of 201. So, if all goes properly, I believe you may see some good medical updates that’ll lower the relative danger of those property in ’26, early ’27. In order that’s our purpose.
We have designed a section 2 trial that is 4 arms. We’re proposing to the FDA a management arm on the nintedanib or naive sufferers or three completely different doses or dose regimens. So, they’ll actually present various kinds of mixtures and what they’d appear to be by way of frequency, in addition to dose goal. In that examine, we designed to be about 30 weeks.
I can not keep in mind if that is the top level off the highest of my head. However once more, that is all underneath dialogue with the FDA. So, that is form of how we take into consideration the section 2 is a roughly 26- to 30-week examine. 4 arms completely different doses in comparison with a management arm.
And our purpose is to get comparability. If it is higher, that is nice. If it is barely extra tolerable, that is even higher. However these would be the key property that we’re in search of.
Andreas Argyrides — Analyst
OK, implausible. Thanks for the replace. I am trying ahead to all of the progress for the rest of the 12 months. Recognize it.
Operator
Thanks. Our subsequent query comes from the road of Brandon Folkes with Rodman and Renshaw. Please proceed.
Brandon Folkes — Analyst
Hello. Thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations on all of the progress. Perhaps simply first up for me, if TETON is profitable, you already know, how ought to we take into consideration the potential for a producing aspect there for MannKind as properly? You realize, what are you keen to form of say at this stage? Is it on the desk? Ought to we mannequin simply the royalty? How ought to we give it some thought in our fashions if we do see profitable TETON information over the subsequent few, properly, 18 odd months?
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Brandon, you got here in late, so I will repeat your query and ensure we heard it. I believe your query was how will we anticipate issues to shift with a profitable TETON readout by way of manufacturing income? Is that — did I get that proper?
Brandon Folkes — Analyst
That’s appropriate, sure.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
OK, so we’re working fairly exhausting. Actually, we simply received some excellent news from the FDA on the enlargement of the power. So, I believe from a pure capability manufacturing skill, we might be properly able to launch any sorts of provide that are available in from orders from United Therapeutics with an upside state of affairs in IPF. So, we really feel excellent about our skill to deal with that and ship that actually as we get into the second half when they will get the info readout.
So, now, that will — if the volumes enhance dramatically, then that will additionally change our expectations on collaboration providers income as properly. So, I believe we’ll be prepared, and we’ll have the capability out there within the occasion that each one comes by way of.
Brandon Folkes — Analyst
Nice, thanks very a lot. After which, perhaps only a observe up for me. On the 200 million plus on Afrezza, are you able to simply discuss concerning the timeline there? Is that this simply type of — ought to we simply take into consideration that being according to the label updates that ought to come on-line publish INHALE-3 and INHALE-1? Thanks.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Yeah, I believe we’ll be seeking to benchmark our launch uptake curves in peds to form of perhaps take a look at a few of the latest launches in diabetes or diabetes gadgets particularly and seeing, you already know, if we do the right consciousness and the right profitable execution up entrance, that that ought to have hopefully a sooner uptake than we have seen in our progress traditionally. And I am going to simply remind you, you already know, we have not ever had the posh of getting extra capital to deploy or skill to recruit the most effective folks or work with thought leaders in a significant method. And I believe that is one of many stuff you’ve seen us attempt to do actually good with Afrezza. And we’re actually making an attempt to get in with these places of work and the thought leaders as we converse.
So, that’ll be necessary. By way of the uptake, I believe you noticed a line within the deck that each 10% share is roughly 150 million. So, I believe it is a affordable — whenever you take a look at the expectations from the physicians, even in the event you low cost that information 50%, our objectives, you already know, actually hit that 10% vary as shortly as doable. That 12 months, 18 months, 24 months, I believe we’ll get — as we get nearer and as we proceed to fine-tune our technique and analysis, I believe that might be clear.
However I believe in the event you take a look at that 10% threshold, plus the grownup gross sales, plus spillover from children to adults, you possibly can actually begin to see how Afrezza compounds over the subsequent three years from a, you already know, marginally good progress to a serious transition. And that is what we’re aiming for, and that is why we’re gearing up for all that proper now.
Brandon Folkes — Analyst
Nice. Thanks very a lot.
Operator
Thanks. One second for our subsequent query. And it is from the road of Yun Zhong with Wedbush Securities. Please proceed.
Yun Zhong — Wedbush Securities — Analyst
Hello. Good afternoon. Thanks very a lot for the questions, and congratulations in your progress. First query on Afrezza, you shared anecdotal suggestions on pediatric use.
And I used to be curious, have you ever heard something from grownup topics in mild of the INHALE-3 information? And the second query on 101 interim evaluation and assume might be blinded to the corporate, however is that interim evaluation going to take a look at each co-partner endpoints? And in case you need to enhance the examine dimension, do you could have any concept by what number of sufferers you are going to enhance? Thanks very a lot.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
That second query, Yun, simply to make clear, is that in relation to 101? Or which product had been you referring to?
Yun Zhong — Wedbush Securities — Analyst
Interim evaluation, 101, sure.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
OK, thanks. Sorry, need to be sure I received it proper. Initially, thanks to your assist and your initiation of MannKind. We admire that.
By way of INHALE-3, you are asking extra evaluation we plan to current? So, the affected person and doctor suggestions. Thanks. So I believe the — within the affected person facet of this, about 50% of the sufferers in INHALE-3 indicated they needed to remain on Afrezza on the finish of the examine. So, I believe that is — actually, if we switched 100 folks and received 50 to remain, I believe that is a very good alternative to increase fairly shortly.
So, I believe that simply exhibits you the extent of satisfaction, whether or not they had been coming off an AID system or a number of each day injections. You realize, I might be actually glad if we might assist that many sufferers of the thousands and thousands of individuals on insulin. So, I believe that is form of the place the affected person satisfaction was. On the doctor facet, I’ll say, I’ve talked to a number of of the investigators.
And numerous them, that is the primary time they’ve ever prescribed Afrezza by way of simply working the trial. It is the primary time they’ve ever seen that first-dose information within the workplace of time for supper — meal tolerance checks we had been doing. And you’ll actually see, as you take a look at the sub outcomes, these medical doctors who actually understood the dosing and basal titration had actually good outcomes. And so they had been very glad and excited and sit up for adopting it.
I am going to additionally say, as you possibly can see, a few of the folks received worse. There is a handful of places of work who did not dose correctly, who did not titrate up, who did not observe our directions. And people sufferers did a bit of worse. And that is most likely why you see 50% need to keep on and 50% went again as a result of I believe numerous that was physician dependent.
That is one of many issues we’re making an attempt to appropriate as we exit there may be how will we make it extra constant for prescribers, whether or not it is the reimbursement assist, the dosing and titration, and the follow-up across the basal. As a result of that is what we see within the trial outcomes, whether or not that is INHALE-1 or INHALE-3. And so, that is numerous the work that I am going to say we’ll be doing because of these trials. And it is numerous pleasure.
And I believe I simply noticed Omnipod launched a call assist round Omnipod. And I believe that is what you are seeing is these places of work need assistance, and we are able to clearly see they want reminders. And so, that is what a few of the work we’re making an attempt to prepare for youths. On 101, there may be an interim evaluation after 100 sufferers are reaching their six-month finish level, and we need to have 100 evaluable sufferers.
And so, hopefully, by the point we’ll have 100 websites up and working. And if we had 20% of the websites for referring a affected person a month, that will provide you with roughly, you already know, 15 to twenty folks enrolling. So, you possibly can see whereas we’re ready for these interim outcomes, we are able to simply enroll one other 90, 100 sufferers. And so we expect that may fulfill probably any sort of examine dimension adjustment.
It might go, you already know, 230 to 300 sufferers with these changes. And I believe our purpose is to ensure it is statistically legitimate outcomes between the placebo and the lively arm. And so, let’s form of wait and see. However I believe we now have anticipated that it could possibly be go from 180 to 300.
And that is why we’ll preserve enrollment going in order that we’re not ready by the point we get that interim evaluation to proceed enrolling. And there is additionally an FDA steerage right here that we need to hit, which is across the 300 sufferers security database. And so, one of many different elements we’re that the FDA really simply gave us the inexperienced mild to think about is launching an expanded entry program for clofazimine. In order that, to me, can be one other alternative to hit some interim enrollment targets to maintain us on monitor.
So, we’re evaluating all these choices as we converse, however I believe you may see clofazimine received numerous nice choices forward to hit the marks that we now have to hit to make sure we are able to file as shortly as doable for sufferers.
Yun Zhong — Wedbush Securities — Analyst
Nice. Thanks.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Thanks.
Operator
Thanks. And this concludes our Q&A session for immediately. I’ll flip it again to Mr. Castagna for remaining remarks.
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Thanks, everybody, for dialing in immediately, listening to our name. I believe, as you possibly can see, we had a report 12 months for 2024. We’re actually turning over each stone to take a look at how we are able to develop sooner, rent the most effective expertise, and proceed to march as firm ahead to greatness. And I simply need to say thanks to your continued assist.
I am trying ahead to a 12 months of a lot progress, whether or not it is the medical facet, the business facet, or our partnership with United Therapeutics. MannKind is firing on all cylinders, and it is a good time to be a part of the MannKind household. So, thanks for all of your assist. Have an awesome day.
Operator
And with that, we thanks all for collaborating. [Operator signoff]
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Name members:
Michael E. Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Christopher B. Prentiss — Chief Monetary Officer
Michael Castagna — Chief Government Officer and Director
Olivia Brayer — Analyst
Chris Prentiss — Chief Monetary Officer
Faisal Khurshid — Analyst
Anish Nikhanj — Analyst
Andreas Argyrides — Analyst
Brandon Folkes — Analyst
Yun Zhong — Wedbush Securities — Analyst
