Arm Holdings (ARM) Q3 2025 Earnings Name Transcript

Arm Holdings (ARM 6.82%)
Q3 2025 Earnings Name
Feb 05, 2025, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

• Ready Remarks
• Questions and Solutions
• Name Members

Ready Remarks:

Operator

Good day, and thanks for standing by. Welcome to the Arm third quarter fiscal yr 2025 webcast and convention name. At the moment, all individuals are in a listen-only mode. After the audio system’ presentation, there can be a question-and-answer session.

[Operator instructions] Please be suggested that in the present day’s convention is being recorded. I might now like to show the convention over to your first speaker in the present day, Jeff Kvaal, head of investor relations. Please go forward, sir.

Jeff Kvaal — Vice President, Investor Relations

Thanks, and welcome to our earnings convention name for the third quarter of fiscal ’25, which ended December 31, 2024. On the decision in the present day are Rene Haas, Arm’s chief govt officer; and Jason Baby, Arm’s chief monetary officer. Throughout the name, Arm will talk about forecasts, targets, and different forward-looking data concerning the corporate and its monetary outcomes. Whereas these statements characterize our greatest present judgment about future outcomes and efficiency as of in the present day, our precise outcomes are topic to many dangers and uncertainties that might trigger precise outcomes to vary materially.

Along with any dangers that we spotlight throughout the name, essential danger elements that will have an effect on our future outcomes and efficiency are described in our registration assertion on Type 20-F filed with the SEC. Arm assumes no obligation to replace any forward-looking statements. We are going to confer with non-GAAP monetary measures throughout the dialogue. Reconciliations of sure of those non-GAAP monetary measures to their most straight comparable GAAP monetary measures in addition to a dialogue of sure projected non-GAAP monetary measures that we aren’t in a position to reconcile with out unreasonable efforts and supplemental monetary data might be present in our shareholder letter.

The shareholder letter and different earnings-related supplies are all accessible on our web site at traders.arm.com. And with that, I am going to flip the decision over to Rene. Rene?

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Thanks, Jeff, and good afternoon, everybody. AI demand continues to drive robust momentum for the Arm ecosystem, which is constructed on the world’s most pervasive compute platform. We’re happy to report report complete income and an all-time report royalty income for the third quarter of fiscal 2025. Whole income grew 19% yr on yr to an all-time excessive that exceeded the excessive finish of steering.

Our royalty income grew 23% yr on yr to a brand new report. This was pushed by adoption and deployment of v9 and powerful demand for Arm’s CSS. Licensing stays robust as our companions make long-term commitments to extra of our superior expertise to take AI in every single place. AI development requires considerably extra compute throughout all of our finish markets from smartphones with higher chat options, to autos with higher driving and parking help, to IoT microprocessors with embedded NPUs.

That is driving continued adoption of our v9 and CSS applied sciences. New flagship smartphones from OPPO and vivo reap the benefits of MediaTek’s new Dimensity 9400 system-on-chip. This SoC relies on our CSS for Shopper, which incorporates the Arm Cortex-X925 CPU and the Immortalis-G925 GPU. Elevated chip complexity is driving the highest hyperscalers to customise silicon on the most recent Armv9 and CSS.

We’re gaining share within the knowledge middle with AWS Graviton, Microsoft Cobalt, Google Axion, and NVIDIA’s Grace Arm-based chips. AWS just lately introduced greater than 50% of recent CPU capability put in over the previous two years was on Graviton. Over 90% of AWS’ high 1,000 EC2 prospects use Graviton. We now have greater than 20 million builders, the world’s largest developer group, and we proceed to extend funding in our ecosystem.

NVIDIA additionally introduced Undertaking DIGITS, which mixes the Arm-based Grace CPU and the Blackwell GPU into the brand new GB10 superchip that powers the world’s smallest AI supercomputer. The Grace CPU relies upon Arm’s CSS for Shopper and contains 20 power-efficient Arm cores, 10 Cortex-X925 and 10 Cortex-A725. With Undertaking DIGITS, builders, knowledge scientists, and AI researchers will have the ability to extra simply in a position to construct inference fashions earlier than deploying them into the cloud. I might additionally prefer to name out two key initiatives that additional cement Arm’s place on the very middle of the AI ecosystem.

Together with SoftBank Group and OpenAI, Stargate for AI infrastructure deployment, and superior enterprise AI known as Cristal intelligence to develop AI brokers for data work. We strongly consider that the advances in AI, each for coaching and inference, are going to extend the demand for compute within the AI cloud. We anticipate Arm’s options to deal with the wants from the cloud to the sting to energy development on this planet’s hottest compute ecosystem for many years to come back. And with that, I’ll hand over to Jason.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Rene. Q3 was one other report quarter as we continued to ship robust development. Whole income was $983 million, which was above the highest finish of our guided vary. Royalty income was a report $580 million and grew 23% yr on yr and was above our expectations.

This development was pushed by continued Armv9 adoption and preliminary shipments of chips primarily based on our compute subsystems in addition to the expansion in revenues from customized silicon going into the info middle. Royalty income from chips for smartphones, the info middle, networking gear, and automotive have been all inside expectations, whereas royalty income from IoT confirmed indicators of restoration after a number of quarters of weak point. Based mostly on the latest royalty experiences, revenues from smartphones proceed to develop a lot quicker than the general smartphone market. This was helped by chips primarily based on each Armv9 and CSS corresponding to MediaTek’s Dimensity 9400, which is being deployed in flagship smartphones from each OPPO and vivo.

Licensing income elevated 14% yr on yr to $403 million, which was higher than we forecasted. License income varies quarter to quarter on account of regular fluctuations in timing and dimension of a number of high-value license agreements and contributions from backlog. As all the time, we suggest that you simply have a look at annualized contract worth, or ACV, to finest perceive the underlying licensing development price. ACV in Q3 was up 9% yr on yr, which was somewhat decrease than the current run price of low teenagers however is above our long-term plan.

Remaining efficiency obligations, or RPO, was down barely sequentially as Arm delivered merchandise that launched income from backlog into the P&L. As , Arm’s revenues in the present day come from expertise developed years and even a long time in the past, and our prices in the present day are investments for future income streams. To maximise our future income alternative, we need to maximize our funding in R&D in the present day. And within the third quarter, heightened R&D spending led our non-GAAP working prices to their highest degree at $522 million, which was consistent with our expectations.

On the similar time, we additionally delivered near-record ranges of non-GAAP working revenue at $442 million. Going ahead, we’ll proceed to steadiness rising investments for the long-term development of the enterprise and near-term profitability. Turning now to steering, I am going to briefly contact on each fourth quarter and monetary yr ending March 31, 2025. This steering displays our present view of our finish markets and our licensing pipeline.

For This autumn, we anticipate income of between $1.175 billion and $1.275 billion. On the midpoint, this represents income development of 32% yr on yr. We now have left the income steering vary barely wider than in prior quarters as now we have some giant license offers in play. Though now we have excessive confidence of deal closure, the timing of offers might be exhausting to forecast and a few might slip into the following fiscal yr.

As beforehand talked about, income development in the present day allows us to extend our investments within the R&D important for our long-term success. We’re accelerating the investments in our subsequent era of applied sciences. We now anticipate our This autumn non-GAAP working expense to be roughly $590 million. And for This autumn, we anticipate non-GAAP EPS to be within the vary of $0.48 to $0.56.

For fiscal yr ’25, we’re rising the midpoint of full-year steering to round $4 billion. This midpoint represents a few 24% year-on-year development, which is forward of our long-term goal of 20%. With this, we anticipate full-year royalty income development price within the excessive teenagers yr on yr, which is in keeping with our earlier steering. We anticipate our full-year license income to develop round 30% yr on yr.

We anticipate non-GAAP working bills to be about $2.1 billion, which represents a 21% year-on-year improve. We due to this fact anticipate our full-year non-GAAP EPS to be between $1.56 and $1.64. With that, I’ll flip the decision again to the operator for the Q&A portion of the decision.

Questions & Solutions:

Operator

Thanks. [Operator instructions] We are going to now take your first query. One second, please. And your first query comes from the road of Lee Simpson from Morgan Stanley.

Please go forward.

Lee Simpson — Analyst

Hello. Good afternoon. Thanks for becoming me in. Possibly I may simply kick off by asking about the place we see the energy in licensing as we go into the next yr.

And I assume I am actually asking this actually because it pertains to among the current information circulation that we have seen within the broader AI panorama but additionally actually touches on Arm’s functionality. So, if we glance two weeks again, we had the announcement of Stargate within the U.S. with budgets ranging over $100 billion. And within the final day or so, we have heard of your new joint improvement between SoftBank and OpenAI known as Cristal intelligence.

And we’re simply making an attempt to grasp the place it appears Arm sits right here as a result of curiously, it seems to be like each an enabler and even having first-mover benefit as a sort of AI adopter in an period of agentic AI. So, possibly if I take a step again, possibly simply making an attempt to assist us, are you able to define simply extra clearly what the chance set is for Arm, together with the sell-in of recent merchandise to those new and huge initiatives? And what the long-term profit is to Arm within the earnings perspective? Thanks.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. Thanks for the query. There’s quite a bit there so I am going to attempt to simplify a bit. So, Stargate, a venture that was introduced just a few weeks again, which is a particularly important infrastructure venture in the US, the place $100 billion can be invested instantly and $500 billion over time.

And this can be a partnership with OpenAI and Oracle and SoftBank, expertise companions being these corporations along with ourselves, Microsoft, and NVIDIA. For Arm, we’re extraordinarily excited to be the CPU of selection for such a platform. Mixed with the Blackwell CPU with Grace, Arm would be the CPU of selection for the preliminary configurations. And going ahead, there will be enormous potential for expertise innovation round that area.

So, extremely thrilling venture, which we expect can be transformational for the business. Cristal intelligence, which was mentioned earlier this week, is de facto about agentic AI and brokers transferring throughout each node of the {hardware} ecosystem. So, if you consider the smallest gadgets corresponding to earbuds all the best way to the info middle, that is actually about brokers more and more being the interface and/or the motive force of every thing that drives AI contained in the gadget. For Arm, it is a important alternative as a result of AI workloads will run on each a type of endpoints that I discussed.

Moreover, provided that Arm is the world’s most pervasive compute platform, these AI workloads will run on Arm and thru Arm. And thru our KleidiAI libraries, we’ll make it very simple for builders to focus on and optimize to the Arm platform working these brokers. So, each of these bulletins are very important, each by way of their impression to the business and characterize important alternative for our firm.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

And your different query on sort of the licensing upside parts. So, within the quarter, it was up about $27 million versus our sort of steering are up 14% yr on yr. Actually, the drivers have been the identical parts over the previous few quarters, which is AI and the necessity to proceed to entry v9 expertise to arrange for all the wants that go into AI chips, after which, after all, additionally CSS. As Rene talked about, there’s further CSS contracts that we have bought, and we proceed to be engaged on.

When it comes to the steering for this subsequent quarter, we’re really guiding that license income can develop within the order — sort of within the order of round 60% yr on yr. And so, we have stated since early within the yr, now we have quite a few massive offers that we had deliberate on for This autumn. These look to be sort of totally on observe and as anticipated. And people offers very a lot are in the identical sort of bucket of very a lot being AI- and CSS-driven.

Lee Simpson — Analyst

Thanks, Jason.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Joe Quatrochi from Wells Fargo. Please go forward.

Joe Quatrochi — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Yeah, thanks for taking the query. You talked about that the associate demand for CSS is stronger than initially anticipated. I assume how ought to we take into consideration the contribution to royalty income ramping as we enter fiscal ’26 versus your prior expectations?

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. So, we’re not prepared to speak about ’26 but. However by way of exit price, we really feel excellent in regards to the momentum that we have delivered. For instance, this final quarter at $500 million of royalty income, that is about 13% larger than our earlier report of $514 million.

Actually, no shock that that is also within the first quarter that we even have materials CSS income this quarter led largely by the Dimensity 9400 chip that we talked about. Additionally, Cobalt CSS is beginning to see shipments and deployments and that is flowing into royalty income now. As we proceed to see extra CSS deployments over the following couple of quarters, we do anticipate there to be continued momentum. When it comes to quantifying the momentum, we’ll have to attend till subsequent quarter.

Joe Quatrochi — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Truthful sufficient. Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Your subsequent query comes from the road of Charles Shi from Needham and Firm. Please go forward.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Sure. Are you able to hear me?

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Sure.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Thanks. I simply need to contact upon since we simply had a variety of information protection on the trial final month with one in every of your giant prospects. There appears to be, primarily based on the press reporting, there appears to be some distinction between what you suppose the contract will expire versus what they suppose. They suppose it is expiring in ’28.

I do suppose it is expiring in ’25. I do know that is all calendar yr commentary, however what is the present view there [Inaudible] in income? Possibly you are anticipating to occur calendar ’25. Possibly that will not occur within the subsequent calendar yr. I simply need to get some ideas there.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

That is Jason. I feel the query was in regards to the impression of the Qualcomm lawsuit and on income.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Right, appropriate. Sure.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

There is no impression. We had forecasted actually all the best way again at IPO and proceed to forecast as if we weren’t going to prevail in that lawsuit. The first motive for the lawsuit very a lot was round defending our IP and that is essential. However from a monetary perspective, we had assumed that we’ll proceed to be receiving royalties that — mainly the identical charges that they have been paying for previously and can proceed to pay.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Obtained it. Possibly one other query, just a bit little bit of clarification. I do not see an RMB contribution quantity from the shareholder letter. Possibly I missed it someplace.

However you probably have the quantity, are you able to inform us what the quantity is for the previous quarter?

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. As a proportion of complete royalties within the quarter, it was 25%, so in keeping with the prior quarter.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

OK. OK. The 25% seems to be prefer it’s been a few quarters of 25%. Do you anticipate it to go up once more in coming quarters? I do know the reply might be sure, however — and in addition, are you able to additionally assist us perceive why it is somewhat bit stalling for a few quarters already on the 25%?

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Let me simply possibly cowl simply among the math piece, after which I am going to let Rene sort of discuss in regards to the general sort of bigger view of how v9 adoption is happening and the way it will proceed to happen. So, I might simply say, to start with, the maths is, it is a proportion of complete, and so we noticed 23% development within the quarter so it is flat as a proportion of complete. However in the event you really look simply on the v9 {dollars}, the speed went from about 15% a yr in the past to about 25% this quarter. So, absolutely the {dollars} grew by, I might say, triple-digit price.

And so, the truth that it is comparatively flat really is a superb indication of the truth that you’ve gotten — now we have an extended runway for future development. We nonetheless anticipate that you will notice v9 develop to most likely 67% to 70% of complete royalties. And the truth that we’re in a position to sort of meet or exceed our royalty development charges whereas it is not been accelerating ought to present extra confidence about our means, as that price goes larger, our means to drive additional royalty development within the subsequent quarters and past.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. And possibly simply to offer you a way of how to consider these transitions, they’re largely pushed by the transitions of OEM merchandise and once they get launched. So, take for instance, the MediaTek 9400, which has been designed into OPPO and vivo telephones, these at the moment are of their ramp for manufacturing. So, you may see a spike up as a ramp and then you definitely get to a gentle state.

However as the following variations are launched, a few issues occur. Broader adoption throughout the excessive finish of the section, after which the excessive to mid-range to mid-range merchandise begin to transfer from v8 to v9. So, the transition price that we’re seeing is totally anticipated and really, very in keeping with how we anticipated the general ramp to be. So, very completely satisfied about the place we’re.

And as you stated, room for growth but it surely’s largely pushed by OEMs shifting their chip combine versus licensing new corporations.

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Thanks, Rene. Thanks, Jason. Admire the colour.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. [Operator instructions] We are going to now go to the following query. And your query comes from the road of Timm Schulze-Melander from Redburn Atlantic. Please go forward.

Timm Schulze-Melander — Redburn Atlantic — Analyst

Yeah. Hello. Thanks very a lot for taking my query. Possibly simply to key off the query on the royalty development.

Are you able to possibly simply discuss somewhat bit extra particularly about FY ’26 and sort of what momentum and what sort of combine evolution we must always anticipate on v9 to contribute to the complete yr? Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah, that is Jason. We’re — we’ll present steering on ’26 subsequent quarter. We sometimes — identical to final yr, we do it after we announce This autumn outcomes. So, we’ll go into extra element then.

I might say what we have stated previously is that we’d anticipate royalties to develop most likely someplace within the mid-20% development price. That is what we have stated previously. We have not — we’re not offering an replace to that in the present day. The best way that we’ll get there may be by way of the mix of v9 adoption in addition to CSS.

And so, what you noticed on this most up-to-date quarter is v8 really had some actually robust development. That is nice, however general, you need to anticipate to see v9, over time, proceed to develop. But additionally do not forget that v9 is only one enter into development. CSS adoption is, I might say, even a bigger enter to development as a result of the royalty price on CSS is roughly double that of v9, and naturally, v9 is roughly double the royalty price of v8.

So, general, it’s a must to have a look at all of the parts, however the momentum that we simply confirmed on this final quarter and what we anticipate over the following quarter, we expect, units us up for an excellent ’26.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. And possibly simply to develop additional on that and ensure Jason would not kill me, however the royalty price on a CSS of ’26 shouldn’t be essentially the identical because the royalty price for CSS in ’25. These CSS charges change yr on yr when the brand new answer is obtainable to the market. So, these are variable over time, and so they improve over time.

Timm Schulze-Melander — Redburn Atlantic — Analyst

That is nice. Tremendous useful. After which possibly only one fast follow-up. The licensing income, clearly, it is tremendous exhausting to foretell the precise week or day, or month.

However is there something that is kind of structurally altering by way of the complexity of your consumer agreements? That implies that these are simply structurally going to take longer and longer to recover from the road. Is that one thing we must always anticipate to see in coming years? Thanks very a lot.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

That is Jason. I might say no. However it is advisable to sort of have a look at the contracts primarily in two buckets. There’s model new contracts with somebody we have not executed work with earlier than.

That most likely takes some time. There’s quite a bit longer approval course of versus a renewal of possibly an current ATA, and that is most likely a shorter cycle. However nonetheless, the bigger the deal is, the longer the timeframe. Sometimes, when these get within the lots of of hundreds of thousands of {dollars}, they most likely contain boards of administrators and all these completely different approvals that may simply take many, many months.

However usually, to your query, is something altering now or subsequent yr versus the place it has been this final yr? No, no. It is all the identical elements.

Timm Schulze-Melander — Redburn Atlantic — Analyst

Nice. Tremendous useful. Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Vijay Rakesh from Mizuho. Please go forward.

Vijay Rakesh — Analyst

Yeah. Hello. Thanks, Rene and Jason. Only a fast query on the — it seems to be like on AWS, you are having excellent success, nearly 90% of the highest 1,000 prospects utilizing Graviton and the Arm IP.

Are you able to discuss to how the Cobalt 100 is progressing, how that is ramping? And I’ve a follow-up.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. I am going to defer to Microsoft making statements in regards to the shipments of Cobalt. To be clear, we have taken the AWS feedback straight from AWS. However usually, what we’re seeing inside Microsoft with Cobalt and extra broadly with all of our companions shouldn’t be solely elevated momentum for deployment of these merchandise into the cloud.

However due to the transition away from an x86 plus H100 to a Grace Blackwell GB200, that can also be an accelerant for Arm within the knowledge middle as a result of these AI knowledge facilities, the first CPU being Grace, working every thing relative from a bunch management standpoint is an efficient tailwind or kicker, if you’ll. So, we’re very pleased with the momentum usually. I might defer once more to Microsoft on particular commentary on Cobalt, however the momentum has been terrific.

Vijay Rakesh — Analyst

Obtained it. Thanks. After which on the associated occasion aspect, it seems to be like a really good traction sequentially, I noticed it up 48%. Simply questioning, long run, are you seeing any adjustments there? Does that ramp? As you look out long term, how does that progress? Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

I might anticipate it to be fairly constant. I imply, associated occasion, the most important element is Arm China, and so I might anticipate that can be sort of fairly constant over time. Arm China, most likely, we anticipate it to most likely be a smaller proportion of income. I feel this quarter, it was within the 25-ish p.c vary.

I’ve stated previously we anticipate it most likely to fall to mid-teens over time. However over the following few quarters, most likely not going to alter a complete lot.

Vijay Rakesh — Analyst

All proper. Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Andrew Gardiner from Citi. Please go forward.

Andrew Gardiner — Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the query. I had one on M&A. There continues to be hypothesis within the press about M&A, whether or not it is Arm or maybe associated to SoftBank above you, and particularly, kind of the potential so that you can transfer past a pure conventional IP mannequin and get additional into the silicon area.

Are you able to — with out kind of saying something particular on M&A, I do know you will not have the ability to actually do this, however simply by way of the discussions you are having internally and maybe along with your prospects and what they’re needing, why — what is going on that’s inflicting you to maybe lean additional in that route as you look out kind of past the present yr? Thanks.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. Thanks for the query. And as you surmised, there is not very a lot we will say about hypothesis and/or rumors. We spend a variety of time, most of my time personally, enthusiastic about development and enthusiastic about the long run.

One factor I can say that we’re seeing that I am certain all of us out there and in our area are attempting to mirror upon is on the price of which AI is evolving and the speed at which the software program fashions change, it places an amazing stress on our ecosystem to develop merchandise quicker, higher, sooner, extra environment friendly. And as Arm is the center of all of that, we glance very exhausting by way of the best way to remedy buyer issues. However sadly, I am unable to provide you with far more element than that and positively cannot speculate on any rumors on M&A.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Harlan Sur from JPMorgan. Please go forward.

Harlan Sur — Analyst

Yeah. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my query. Possibly as a follow-on to that query, Rene, I imply, the group has all the time led with a system-level technique, which then pulls demand in your compute IP options, proper? AMBA was an excellent instance of that.

Your transfer to CSS is one other good instance of that. Now, it looks as if the group is like scaling the technique to assault the advanced SoC market that’s quickly transferring towards this extra kind of heterogeneous, kind of chiplet-based technique. You guys are constructing an ecosystem round your CSA or this Chiplet System Structure. Like what is the progress like to this point? Are you seeing an acceleration of exercise round CSA? And extra importantly, like how is the Arm group going to monetize this technique?

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. Thanks, Harlan. Loads of good factors there. We have completely seen an acceleration of demand for CSS, as Jason talked about.

Prospects clearly see the good thing about it. We’re now concerned with CSS in nearly all the key markets that we have interaction. There’s simply important demand for that product. We have additionally kicked off one thing we name the Arm Whole Design companions.

And this enables finish companions, design homes to take our CSSs and probably develop chiplets and really, very robust demand for that program as nicely. To your level by way of what’s actually driving all of this, I’m going again to the earlier reply I gave. It’s actually the truth that these designs are extremely advanced to construct, getting much more so. There is a very, very robust hyperlink between the {hardware} and the software program.

And as Arm is the center of every thing that takes place in any one in every of these chips relative to the software program ecosystem, there’s simply enormous demand on asking us to do extra sooner and assist merchandise get to market quicker. As a result of we’re in an exceptional time in our business the place the compute calls for are outpacing the silicon to serve it. We get a number of questions in regards to the smartphone market and the AI capabilities to harness what is going on on inside there. You need to do not forget that these smartphones have been — the chips for these smartphones have been designed two, three years in the past, the reminiscence subsystem, the ability, every thing was predefined.

So, to have the ability to match these small language fashions or something that goes contained in the telephone is kind of a problem given the truth that you continue to need to run a show, you continue to need to run an working system, you continue to need to run apps. So, what helps tackle that, getting merchandise to market quicker. And that’s actually what we’re very targeted on.

Harlan Sur — Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Vivek Arya from Financial institution of America. Please go forward.

Vivek Arya — Analyst

Thanks for taking my query. I needed to return to this v9 adoption query, and I respect that in absolute numbers, proper? After all, it represents extra {dollars} of — as a proportion of your royalty. However initially of the fiscal yr, I feel you stated that adoption would develop by — or proportion contribution would develop by 5 factors or 500 foundation factors each quarter, but it surely has stalled at 25%. So, I hoped you may clarify what’s taking place versus the belief you had initially of the yr.

And since we didn’t see it as a lot on this final fiscal yr, does this create an acceleration or an upside driver for subsequent yr? Or is that not the suitable method to take a look at it? Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. That is Jason. I am going to take that one. So, I might say — I imply, finally, what you are making an attempt to get to is, does this set us up for higher development subsequent yr? I might say it may.

I simply do not know if it will be subsequent yr and the yr after or what precisely is the timeframe. If you happen to return to, as you stated, our assumptions, we had seen three straight quarters when it went from 10% of complete to fifteen% after which went to twenty%, then it went to 25%. And now, just a few quarters the place it is leveled out at 25%. The rationale we offer the metric is to assist folks perceive the adoption of v9.

The truth that it is slowed as a proportion of complete, once more, as I stated, is definitely an excellent factor as a result of that simply provides us, as you stated and already indicated, it provides us, I feel, a greater view into the expansion as a result of we nonetheless consider it will attain the 60% to 70% as a proportion of complete. Why will we consider that? Properly, we have already bought the contracts, and we have already got perception into the merchandise which are going to come back to market on v9. So, in consequence, now we have excessive confidence. It is only a query of what is the timing.

The truth that it has not grown over the previous few quarters is somewhat bit stunning to us. And the explanation why is since you’ve really seen stronger v8 development than we might beforehand anticipated. That is nice. If all generations are going to have the ability to have robust development, that is good.

However what’s coming on-line, once more, already underneath contract, and we all know it is coming. It is only a query of when do these shipments happen, and what is the combine. So, finally, these are the drivers. Once more, the explanation we supplied this quantity was extra as an indicator to attempt to assist perceive the main indicators of royalty development.

And so, the truth that we have been in a position to meet or exceed our royalty numbers whereas having a barely slower development of v9 combine, once more, is an efficient factor. However I feel you need to concentrate on the general royalty development. We gave these metrics again when royalties have been going a lot slower than they’re now. And so, that is why I feel I might focus extra on general royalty development than I might v9 adoption.

Vivek Arya — Analyst

Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of John DiFucci from Guggenheim Securities. Please go forward.

John Difucci — Analyst

Thanks. My query is for Rene. It is sort of a high-level query, I feel. There’s been a variety of investor dialogue round coaching optimization and a variety of dialogue round — with regard to DeepSeek.

Assuming that is all legitimate, how does that change your view on Arm’s alternative because it pertains to AI, if in any respect? And I assume, Rene, extra broadly, I might identical to to listen to your ideas on this matter even past Arm.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Properly, just a few issues. Broadly talking, if you consider the achievements of DeepSeek, each V3 kind of their generic mannequin, if you’ll, and R1, their reasoning mannequin, there was clearly a variety of work that was executed on high of current work, AKA a frontier mannequin that was created by another person, after which DeepSeek performing some very inventive work to construct a mannequin on high of that, that was very, very environment friendly by way of inference. I feel that is nice, to be trustworthy with you, and I feel it is nice for a few causes. It is nice for the business as a result of it drives effectivity.

It lowers the associated fee. And by doing that, it expands the demand for general compute. So, simply from a basic standpoint, it is a good factor. When you consider the applying to Arm, given the truth that AI workloads might want to run in every single place and decrease price of inference, extra environment friendly inference makes it simpler to run these purposes in areas the place energy is constrained, the quantity of compute you possibly can put down is constrained.

It is terrific for Arm. As fantastic a product as Grace Blackwell is, you’d by no means have the ability to put it in a cellphone, you’d by no means have the ability to put it into earbuds. You may’t even put it right into a automobile. However Arm is in all these locations.

And in consequence, I feel whenever you drive down the general price of inference, it is nice. I additionally suppose that we’re additionally nowhere near adequate as a result of in the event you have a look at the expenditures being introduced by the massive gamers on this market, I feel Google simply introduced a $60 billion spend of their name. Satya has talked about $80 billion. Meta’s talked about $40 billion to $50 billion.

Nobody is pulling again. And the explanation for that’s we’re nowhere close to the capabilities that might be transformational by way of what AI can do. So, I am really — I feel it is a terrific factor and an excellent factor, and I feel it’ll really improve general compute demand. And for Arm, even higher as a result of it permits us play in areas the place effectivity is vital, and that is our candy spot.

John Difucci — Analyst

Is smart. And thanks in your ideas, Rene.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yep.

Operator

Thanks. Your subsequent query comes from the road of Krish Sankar from TD Cowen. Please go forward.

Krish Sankar — Analyst

Yeah. Hello. Thanks for the query. Jason, simply needed to observe up on the ACV.

You talked about the expansion decel. I do know you’ll give full-year steering in a while. Simply sort of curious how to consider the ACV on a go-forward on a longer-term foundation. Are there any massive knowledge middle or cellular applications which are coming that might ramp it again to the kids or double-digit development? And the way a lot of the ACV is coming from the Arm China enterprise in the present day? Thanks.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Positive. So, let’s examine. So, by way of the — I assume the forecast and the place we expect it ought to land, in the event you return to method again after we went public, we mainly supplied ACV with the concept it most likely ought to be rising within the mid- to excessive single digits. And the explanation for that’s in the event you deal with all of our offers as ratable, realizing that the overwhelming majority of our license income and ACV is definitely coming from ATA offers.

And practically all of our ATA offers sometimes have a 7% annual escalator. So, it ought to be — after which all of the non-ATA offers will not have that. So, it is most likely plus or minus within the 7% vary. So, that is sort of what our forecast has been.

Then during the last I assume, now six quarters, we have seen — due to AI, we have seen acceleration in licenses, largely round adopting v9 in addition to now CSS as nicely. So, that is supplied upside that took us from that sort of seven-ish p.c, plus or minus, all the best way as much as, what was it, 14% or 15% at a excessive. Will we get again to the mid-teens vary? I do not know. That is not what we by no means actually forecasted.

It definitely may occur. After I present steering subsequent quarter, I am going to attempt to provide you with somewhat extra perception on that. However by way of sort of the longer-term development mannequin, you need to anticipate the overwhelming majority of the expansion actually to come back from royalties. And so, definitely with v9, at a a lot larger royalty price.

And as Rene stated earlier, each v9 and CSS, these should not one-time will increase in royalty price. They are a step change, however annually, there’s nonetheless, with new variations, sometimes going to be will increase yearly as nicely. So, general, you need to anticipate the vast majority of the expansion coming extra from royalties sooner or later than from license.

Krish Sankar — Analyst

Gotcha. Thanks. And Jason, simply how a lot of ACV is Arm China?

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. The Arm — sorry, the Arm China portion, it is someplace in sort of the 20-ish p.c vary, so fairly near sort of the general combine. This final quarter, it was at 25%, so it is sort of someplace in that vary.

Krish Sankar — Analyst

Thanks very a lot.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Thanks. We are going to now take our ultimate query for in the present day. And your ultimate query comes from the road of Mark Lipacis from Evercore. Please go forward.

Mark Lipacis — Analyst

Nice. Thanks. It is Mark Lipacis from Evercore. Thanks for taking the query.

A CSS query for Jason and Rene. Jason, the CSS license exercise, is that largely knowledge middle or is it balanced between knowledge middle and handsets? After which Rene, whenever you — I simply need to be certain I understood your feedback that you simply made earlier. As AI comes into smartphones, does that essentially imply that these processors are going to be sort of chiplet architected, and so, then long term, there’s seemingly a really excessive connect price of CSS to the smartphones? After which an identical query on the IoT aspect. Does the earbud turn out to be a CSS gadget additionally? Or is that like a monolithic die with simply extra processing energy on the Arm chip? Thanks.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Yeah. So, possibly I am going to take the primary a part of that, after which Jason kind of can tackle the numbers. I feel each endpoint that you simply simply described, earbuds possibly not simply because they’re so, so tiny. However definitely, this chiplet method goes to be pervasive throughout nearly each SoC, if you’ll.

In different phrases, contained in the package deal, you may have quite a few small die in every single place. It exists on the excessive finish in the present day nearly as a normal. However I feel you may see that in every single place, which is a huge alternative for us as a result of not solely can we offer the compute CSS from a CPU standpoint, but it surely permits us to have the correct mix of whether or not it is an NPU or mixed with a GPU and the suitable CPU mixture to maximise efficiency. You kind of hit on a really, very key level by way of demand driver, which is why we’re seeing actually robust CSS kind of demand throughout all these finish markets.

I am going to let Jason deal with the final piece.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. On the CSS combine, we stated previously that auto, we have introduced that it is coming, not right here but. So, by way of the roughly dozen that we have bought, assume that it is mainly about 50-50 between infrastructure and our consumer enterprise.

Mark Lipacis — Analyst

Nice, very useful. Thanks a lot, guys.

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thanks. I’ll now hand the decision again for closing remarks.

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Thanks, and thanks, everybody, for all of your questions. As all the time, we very a lot respect the curiosity in what Arm is doing and really, excellent questions. As summarized in the beginning, the quarter was simply phenomenal, a report quarter. We have by no means been near $1 billion earlier than in income, and we nearly acquired there.

Royalty’s a report at $580 million, and we’re now guiding to nicely north of $1 billion within the subsequent quarter, which is one thing clearly the corporate has by no means executed earlier than. So, with the ability to share with you report revenues for the quarter simply ended and a projection to beat that by a wholesome margin within the subsequent quarter is simply one thing we’re so pleased with at Arm. So, we’re very excited in regards to the future, whether or not it is in regards to the near-term execution of our methods with v9 and CSS to all of the alternatives that Stargate and Cristal intelligence carry us. Improbable time to be with Arm.

So, thanks all in your questions and curiosity, and we’ll communicate to you subsequent quarter.

Operator

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Name individuals:

Jeff Kvaal — Vice President, Investor Relations

Rene Haas — Chief Govt Officer

Jason Baby — Chief Monetary Officer

Lee Simpson — Analyst

Joe Quatrochi — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst

Charles Shi — Needham and Firm — Analyst

Timm Schulze-Melander — Redburn Atlantic — Analyst

Vijay Rakesh — Analyst

Andrew Gardiner — Analyst

Harlan Sur — Analyst

Vivek Arya — Analyst

John Difucci — Analyst

John DiFucci — Analyst

Krish Sankar — Analyst

Mark Lipacis — Analyst

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